63 posts · 2008-05-24 00:19:42 to 2008-05-28 08:20:33
" /> and too bad there is no screenshots of the battle against Zion neither))
Nice work, Machinists! 
Illyria
Well done, Machinists - we've saved another innocent life from the hands of E Pluribus Neo.
I heard that E Pluribus Neo set up a false peace meeting between the machinists and Zion and Machinists as a distraction.
I had no clue something like that had happened. Either way, I'm sure Zion knew what they were getting themselves into when they agreed to run interference.
Well done, Machinists - we've saved another innocent life from the hands of E Pluribus Neo.
She is in our custody - to protect her from the dangerous terrorists that have been manipulating her grief over the loss of her husband their own ends.
((Great screenies as always Shin
I look angry on this one heh))
-Collbard- wrote:I heard that E Pluribus Neo set up a false peace meeting between the machinists and Zion and Machinists as a distraction.
Yep - threw their "allies" right under the machine-driven bus to buy themselves some time.
She is in our custody - to protect her from the dangerous terrorists that have been manipulating her grief over the loss of her husband their own ends.
It's always nice when a plan comes together, right Popper? *laughs*
As it was left out of this report for obvious reasons, I'd like to note that Ms. Morton, while frightened at first due to the chaos of the situation she was pulled into by The Brat, agreed to come along with us. Contrary to the mistaken beliefs of some, she chose to come along with us as opposed to escaping into the labyrinth of the city.
(( Boo. While I can see why it didn't make it into the report seeing as how this is the Kid's account of the event, I still think it's unfortunate the final scene with Morton was excluded. ))
Do you actually believe this garbage when you say it, or is it just what you think an Agent would say when publicly validating bluepill abduction?
Indeed.. a terrified, unwilling captive that could have easily kept running and slipped off into the city where she could have called you again to help her should she have chosen to.
Oh wait, but she didn't keep running and chose to go with us instead of waiting to contact you again and end up drawn into another debacle even though she was only trying to help.
Indeed.. a terrified, unwilling captive that could have easily kept running and slipped off into the city where she could have called you again to help her should she have chosen to.
Oh wait, but she didn't keep running and chose to go with us instead of waiting to contact you again and end up drawn into another debacle even though she was only trying to help.
Is that why she referred to herself as being abducted and being held captive on the phone with me?
Ah well, doesnt matter as we will see for ourselves soon enough.
Little EPN children need to get their hand slapped so they can go back and sit in their corner.
Civil Protection is our responsibility.
Civil Protection? Civil? You call this civil?
Yes, operative.Civil Protection? Civil? You call this civil?
Little EPN children need to get their hand slapped so they can go back and sit in their corner.
Civil Protection is our responsibility.
Ballak wrote:Little EPN children need to get their hand slapped so they can go back and sit in their corner.
Civil Protection is our responsibility.
Yes, yes. "Children" this. "We're better than you" that. You know, this whole thing you mechs got going on, its uh...getting kinda old.
To tenshi, Then you are savages. Where you we did not intrude, and simply observe, you forceably took away. Where we protected, you terrorized. Believe me or not she speaks for herself, and that's all I need. She felt terrorized, and while I was not there to do anything, I couldn't help that. I destroy myself over this, and you lavish in it. Such a beast, you are an example of YOUR kind.
And with steelle, it shows that you are nothing but a programmed message that akin to an answering machine
The same authority that was trying to destroy a city not so long ago?
The legality of your actions could be called into question. We had been speaking with her before, and she did not try and escape did she? Only when you attacked, did she cry for help.
The whole situation is a rubbish. We spoke to her to help her catch the murderer of her husband, and to see if she was able to be freed. We never gave her any false truths, or half truths, and she was willing until you attack.
Legality? She is a citizen of a city in a reality constructed by, maintained by, and protected by the Machines. E Pluribus Neo's presence is forbidden - the citizens are our responsiblity.
And on the subject of false truths, drop the "catch her husband's killer" nonsense - we tracked him down and eliminated him within minutes of her husband's tragic demise.
Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.
Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
kou_urake wrote:Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.
Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
kou_urake wrote:He would have to give me a very good reason for it to be done. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it.Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.
Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
I am saddened to hear that the Pluribites used the guise of Peace Talks to gather Machinists to the location of the Zionite diversion. It will now be far easier for The Machines to refuse future genuine attempts at reconciliation. Futhermore, I hope that EPN did not use this pretext as an intentional means to "drive a wedge" between Zion and The Machines. Either way, it was the Machines who brought a platoon of Government Troops to the location; hardly an act of Peace.
In fact, I am surprized that more Machinists have not already described this incident as justification to breaking the Truce. However, I believe we should consider it as a prime example of why The Machines must reinstate the Truce. If Zionites are to be treated as enemies, there is no incentive to work within the framework of a treaty. By shunning us, they essentially compel us to join with the extremist Pluribites; as the only potential source of mutual aid. If there were a treaty at stake, we would be far less inclined to jeopardize it...
As far as I was aware, the Zionites were at a machine installation - the guards were defending it accordingly. Only the Machinists were under the impression that peace talks were going to occur.
You are absolutely right: Zionites had no idea that the meeting was expected to be an initial Peace talk. I would have to state that it is a very positive sign that The Machines agreed to the meeting taking place under that understanding, regardless of the eventual outcome.
But...it was a Machine installation? That's the bit you want to pick me up on? Sheesh!
[kou_urake misses you(r main points) with their Speed attack.]
You've missed my point. The Zionites went to that machine location for reasons other than discussing peace - they had not been invited. The guards on station defended it. We then arrived and, of course, the fight escalated.
As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.
As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
Ballak wrote:The name Navin Manohar ring any bells to you?kou_urake wrote:He would have to give me a very good reason for it to be done. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it.Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.
Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
kou_urake wrote:There really are no shades of grey in this matter. Unless Zion stands down on their "New Zion" game-plan, the Machines will continue their crusade. Regardless of how E Pluribus Neo acts, which obviously, would have to go back to the distant relation agreement they had with Zion.As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.
As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
She is in our custody - to protect her from the dangerous terrorists that have been manipulating her grief over the loss of her husband their own ends.
2 patrols of 3 Agents had since lingered at the bank where Theresa is employed. Tonight, they were cleansed from the area.Shinpseudo, Thanks for the call to action the other day. The resulting event appeared to have definite results.
The name Navin Manohar ring any bells to you?
kou_urake wrote:As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.
As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
Somehow I fail to see the equanimity between Zionites helping EPN catch up to Mauser and Machinists attempting to capture or kill Commander Lock, killing Navin Manohar, actively seeking and killing veteran Zion operatives, et cetera.
Machinists don't act in favor of creating and working within the framework of a treaty. Neither do the Machines when they can cast aside the truce Neo established with them simply because they thought that the creation of New Zion undermined the purpose of the truce - their purpose for it, obviously, not the legal and established purpose of the truce. How can you point that finger at us when nothing we've done comes close to the murderous actions of the Machines? I just don't get this anymore. And this is after almost a year. You can't simply ignore the comparisons here.
Beside that, I can recall Machinists being ordered to assist Cypherites on several occassions, on many, if not all, Machinists agreed to go along with such operations. Sometimes even before the end of the Truce. Now, if I were to compare the "worst" things that EPN have done to the worst things that the Cypherites have done, it would be no contest. If you're looking for a finger to point, you should be seeking out a mirror.
And not only that but you are presumptuous to assume that trust needs only exist on one side here. Peace will never exist in such a situation.
Many of us are indeed working in cooperation with EPN at this juncture. Guess what? They're not the monsters your overlords played them up to be. Not even close. Now, take a look around at the people your "leadership" (if you can call the Colonel and his Agents that) considers "under control," considers allies. Consider how long the relationship between those two organizations has been around, and consider how many things have been done in tandem between the two.
How are you any better? Who are you to say that we oppose peace?