[10.1.3] "EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield" - Recursion - 4/23/08

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 10:09:44

Gray says alot.

All things considered I could say it was Boba Fett and it would have the same air of authority at the moment, seeing as I was in fact there, unlike some of the more "vocal" Machinists who have decided to come out of the cracks to fling insults.

CPT_Starschwar · 04/24/2008 10:10:27

Crying? Not at all - I'm pleased, actually. My initial prediction of the unreliability of both the Cypherite intel and the capability of thier captains was correct. And all the machinists came out alive regardless.

Procurator · 04/24/2008 10:11:41

Trace, maybe you'd like to ask Veil herself. Or even Halborn! Seriously, go and check the facts first.

ShiXinFeng · 04/24/2008 10:18:31

((Hey, how about a little credit?

I thought it was a brilliant strategy on the part of the Zion force to engage the CYPH ships from the north while EPN came in from behind the CYPHS to cut off any escape. Meanwhile, the Machine ships could only chase the EPN ships to the bottom of the board, unintentionally getting pulled in to where EPN could turn to fight, allowing the Zion ships to finish up the CYPH ships and then swing around to bore into the Machines from above.

Yes, believe it or not, that was planned.

The only thing that threw us off was the introduction of the Mervs into the fray late in the game, which caused us to have to scramble back to the top of the board. And it was pretty fun to watch Yas and Recessions go at it alone in the middle of the board for a round or two. SMILEY

And I have to (grudgingly) give much respect to Tranque for playing his role to, what turned out to be, a fruitful end. They were Mervs through and through last night, and he, Sieges, and Recessions earned every point.))

I am proud to have been a part of this operation and I could not be more proud of the Rocinante's crew, my fellow EPN captains, and the Zion force.

With Commander Lock returned home safely, EPN can now re-focus on taking the fight to the Machines and redouble our efforts for Freedom, both in the Real and in the Matrix.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 10:21:24

Why would I do that when I can just as easily keep bouncing along giving you hell. Honestly Proc I thought you knew me a little bit, I'm doing this to *CENSORED* with you, nothing more.

As for the bit about the intel, the intel was spot on. Though the Mechs seemed to have drug along the mervs which was no good.

Anyway, I can say I'm open to any and all challanges in the realm of hovercraft battles for the future, so the "lack of activity" you were describing can be taken care of now hm?

Croesis · 04/24/2008 10:39:13

NightTrace wrote:

Do you really think that was Halborn? To fast, keep up with the times, we've had the two ships described to us.

Perhaps it is you who need to 'keep up'. Face it Gray knows what going on a lot more than you do.

The Mervs decided to go without Mechs doing anything so we didn't drag them along at all. Star and Proc are right, a lot of Machinists didn't put their ships on the line for several legitimate reasons not least the point that it meant working with Cyphs. As for coming out and flinging insults, that happened as soon as Tranta asked us.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 10:50:46

...Do you guys really not get it. Halborn followed us, and missed Carlynes ship, which moved OUT of the area upon our arrival.

If you guys had been there maybe you would be able to follow simple logic to play connect the dots instead of having to wait for me to do it for you.

Croesis · 04/24/2008 11:01:35

NightTrace wrote:

...Do you guys really not get it. Halborn followed us, and missed Carlynes ship, which moved OUT of the area upon our arrival.

If you guys had been there maybe you would be able to follow simple logic to play connect the dots instead of having to wait for me to do it for you.

And Halborn just sat there? You saw the ship, I'm sure on the tiny off chance that it wasn't Halborn, he'd have been able to see it, he was following you after all. He did encounter both Zion and EPN ships, it strikes me as odd that he didn't see the other one.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 11:06:26

Possibly because their from the same manufacture and they BOTH don't show on each others scans?

Fact is Halborn was following us, so he wouldn't be IN FRONT OF US.

You were not there.

The ship that was there moved fast as lightning compared to standard hovercraft.

What do we know about their individual ships?

Halborn is slow and heavily armed.

Carlyne is quick and agile.

HM, considering Halborn wouldn't have been in the middle of all of us since he was following us in...and this ship was moving quickly as could be...HMMM

Logic my dear, start using it or be quiet.

Croesis · 04/24/2008 11:16:42

Then why would he complain that you almost got him killed? You're saying he stayed behind you while you prepared for the battle and got into position? I somehow doubt he's the sort of person to stay at your heels especially when he'd have detected a ship in front of you, you think he'd have let you knock on Carlyne's hatch while he stayed behind? How would he have almost been been killed? Perhaps if surrounded by Zion and EPN ships. Does slow and heavily armed mean compared to Your own ships or Carlyne's? If it's compared to Carlyne's then doesn't that still mean a possibility that his is faster than yours?

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 11:31:51

I love the fact that you're taken the over exaggerated words of a guy who has no interest in anything but himself as the gospel. You are so sad that it's beyond hilarious.

Learn to think outside the box, least you get left behind one day.

Catalyn · 04/24/2008 11:36:07

Again, my congratulations to the EPN and Zion captains. Your strategic combat enabled Commander Lock to return safely home... and I will always remember your determination to keep on fighting to the very end..

Croesis · 04/24/2008 11:37:34

Well if it comes down to 'the words of a guy who has no interest in anything but himself as the gospel' or the words of a guy with a huge ego representing a lying, backstabbing faction, I'll take the self obsessed man any day.

Gotta learn to think within the box before you venture outside it.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 11:43:37

Vinia wrote:

Well if it comes down to 'the words of a guy who has no interest in anything but himself as the gospel' or the words of a guy with a huge ego representing a lying, backstabbing faction, I'll take the self obsessed man any day.

Gotta learn to think within the box before you venture outside it.

Representing a lying, backstabbing faction? Now you're showing you ignorance to who I am. For shame.

Huge ego? Well of course, but the fact that you think so highly of yourself as to be able to determine what is true or not without even being at the location of the incident speaks worlds of your own overblown ego doesn't it darling.

Croesis · 04/24/2008 11:52:50

NightTrace wrote:

Vinia wrote:
Well if it comes down to 'the words of a guy who has no interest in anything but himself as the gospel' or the words of a guy with a huge ego representing a lying, backstabbing faction, I'll take the self obsessed man any day.

Gotta learn to think within the box before you venture outside it.
Representing a lying, backstabbing faction? Now you're showing you ignorance to who I am. For shame.

Huge ego? Well of course, but the fact that you think so highly of yourself as to be able to determine what is true or not without even being at the location of the incident speaks worlds of your own overblown ego doesn't it darling.

Excuse me, I meant Organisation. As for knowing what's true, I have more evidence for my supposition being true than you do and just as good theories as yours to complement the evidence. I don't claim to know everything but for someone who preaches using logic, you sure don't like using it in case you might be wrong. That's the difference, if I'm wrong I can take it on the chin, I don't keep coming back with 'you weren't there'. Ever heard of field reports?

Stanten · 04/24/2008 11:59:15

kou_urake wrote:

My initial prediction of the unreliability of both the Cypherite intel and the capability of thier captains was correct.

*yawn* And without the job done by Cypherites last week, you and yours would have never known this was even happening. As for the only reason your kind was there being that Tranta cashed in a favor, let's see now how did that go.....Ahhh yes. I believe Cypherites were able to discover the existence of an area where the Merovingian was hiding a rather large force of The General's Commandos and also gift wrapped the passage way to you. It's too bad you all were unable to do these things for yourselves but maybe if you'd spend a little less time griping about Cypherites while sitting on your butts in your comfortable quarters.......Hell you guys might even discover the meaning of the word Efficiency. You definitely have the deficient part down.

Anyway, maybe I'm the only one here who isn't disappointed that Lock is back with the monkeys. Now I only hope he's put back in command because his idiocy will only hinder Zion which in turn helps.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 12:05:47

Vinia wrote:

NightTrace wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Well if it comes down to 'the words of a guy who has no interest in anything but himself as the gospel' or the words of a guy with a huge ego representing a lying, backstabbing faction, I'll take the self obsessed man any day.

Gotta learn to think within the box before you venture outside it.
Representing a lying, backstabbing faction? Now you're showing you ignorance to who I am. For shame.

Huge ego? Well of course, but the fact that you think so highly of yourself as to be able to determine what is true or not without even being at the location of the incident speaks worlds of your own overblown ego doesn't it darling.
Excuse me, I meant Organisation. As for knowing what's true, I have more evidence for my supposition being true than you do and just as good theories as yours to complement the evidence. I don't claim to know everything but for someone who preaches using logic, you sure don't like using it in case you might be wrong. That's the difference, if I'm wrong I can take it on the chin, I don't keep coming back with 'you weren't there'. Ever heard of field reports?

Sure, and the field reports back up what I just said along with the words from Gray. What's your point?

Croesis · 04/24/2008 12:07:33

NightTrace wrote:

Sure, and the field reports back up what I just said along with the words from Gray. What's your point?

lol, whatever Trace, keep dreaming. I hear that's what you lot do best.

Procurator · 04/24/2008 12:12:13

Stanten wrote:

*yawn* And without the job done by Cypherites last week, you and yours would have never known this was even happening. As for the only reason your kind was there being that Tranta cashed in a favor, let's see now how did that go.....Ahhh yes. I believe Cypherites were able to discover the existence of an area where the Merovingian was hiding a rather large force of The General's Commandos and also gift wrapped the passage way to you. It's too bad you all were unable to do these things for yourselves but maybe if you'd spend a little less time griping about Cypherites while sitting on your butts in your comfortable quarters.......Hell you guys might even discover the meaning of the word Efficiency. You definitely have the deficient part down.

Oh, wow. You found out about Lock's transfer? You found that stash of Commandos? Thank you so much for your tremendous contribution.

If you'd care to follow what we've been saying for months, Machinists have been questioning the usefulness of these pieces of 'intel' ever since they were released. And many of us have found no benefit to them.

Stanten · 04/24/2008 12:14:42

Procurator wrote

Oh, wow. You found out about Lock's transfer? You found that stash of Commandos? Thank you so much for your tremendous contribution. If you'd care to follow what we've been saying for months, Machinists have been questioning the usefulness of these pieces of 'intel' ever since they were released. And many of us have found no benefit to them.

Were you not asked by your superiors to act on both of the above mentioned points?

Neoteny · 04/24/2008 12:16:56

NightTrace wrote:

Fact is Halborn was following us, so he wouldn't be IN FRONT OF US.

((Actually, that's not true. Halborn was given the coordinates at the end of last Friday's Cyph event on Recursion, at which point Veil asked to tag along. Halborn pretty much told her to *CENSORED* off and left. She later said "now, now, we can go letting him get lost, we'd better tag along." or somesuch. Combined with the speed of the ship, it makes sense that he was out in front of the Cypherite fleet.))

Croesis · 04/24/2008 12:22:21

Neoteny wrote:

NightTrace wrote:
Fact is Halborn was following us, so he wouldn't be IN FRONT OF US.

((Actually, that's not true. Halborn was given the coordinates at the end of last Friday's Cyph event on Recursion, at which point Veil asked to tag along. Halborn pretty much told her to *CENSORED* off and left. She later said "now, now, we can go letting him get lost, we'd better tag along." or somesuch. Combined with the speed of the ship, it makes sense that he was out in front of the Cypherite fleet.))

((And Gray not knowing exactly what went down with Veil and Halborn said 'followed' because he'd sent Halborn to Veil in the first place assuming they'd show him where to find Carlyne. Good point, thanks Neoteny))

Procurator · 04/24/2008 12:33:09

Stanten wrote:

Were you not asked by your superiors to act on both of the above mentioned points?

Nope.

Zudrag · 04/24/2008 12:43:28

Procurator wrote:

Stanten wrote:
Were you not asked by your superiors to act on both of the above mentioned points?
Nope.

Actually, we were asked by Gray to goto try and take Lock, and were ordered to obliterate the commandos in the construct they found.

Stanten · 04/24/2008 12:46:22

Procurator wrote:

Nope.

Ask you meaning Machinsts, not you personally. I fully understand why they probably wouldn't have done something like that.

NightTrace · 04/24/2008 12:54:50

Well yeah Stanten, why would you ask someone to do something if all you're going to get is after action theorizing?

ZaneZavin · 04/24/2008 13:33:26

((I'm lost, game board?, how did this go down?))

Procurator · 04/24/2008 15:47:16

Stanten wrote:

Ask you meaning Machinsts, not you personally.

I'm not sure it came down to actual orders, but even if it did, doesn't mean they were avenues worth pursuing, and it certainly doesn't equate to critical intel. It comes down to this: we'd be no worse off if you hadn't discovered these things. Same goes for your discovery of New Zion while I'm at it. Yeah, that little nugget really made the world a better place.

NightTrace wrote:

Well yeah Stanten, why would you ask someone to do something if all you're going to get is after action theorizing?

Oh sure, I'm well known for not doing anything. Please.

Stanten · 04/24/2008 16:22:21

Actually, you made a point that I was holding in reserve. Had we not discovered new Zion when we did, they'd have almost definitely retrieved all of their provisions, equipment and personel before your bosses decided to make a move. How nice would it have been for them to be fully fortified at around the time of Halborn's arrival when the Machines pulled all of their resources back to their city? And can you please remind me again who the Machines went to and asked to coordinate a strike against Old Zion with? While we're on the topic, what exactly have people like you managed to accompolish?

This is pretty pathetic. Before the war, we operated much the same as we do now while you were leashed and muzzled, merely a barking dog with no bite.. Now that the war's going on, little has changed. We do what we do, you've been unleashed and are now sans muzzle, and you sat down and kept up the barking but you still don't bite. I'm just glad that not all Machinists share your views.

Ebola · 04/24/2008 16:24:57

What Stanten said!

Steelle · 04/24/2008 16:44:46

ZaneZavin wrote:

((I'm lost, game board?, how did this go down?))

((I'll try to give you an answer amongst all the bickering. The game is turn based and played on hex board of random configuration. When you first start, you determine the stats of your ship in four categories: Shields, which protect from shots, Energy, which determine how many moves you make and the success of an EMP, Ballistics, which determine how accurate your shots are, and Hull which is essential HP. Each team has a commander which relays the rounds orders and the battle coordinator arranges these moves and determines how the various ships interact. We use /random 3 or a macro that does that, to determine the rolls for interactions. At the end of a round the board is updated and you keep going at it. There are various winning scenarios which are specific to each battle. Check it out some time!))

Omega0 · 04/24/2008 16:50:00

ZaneZavin wrote:

((I'm lost, game board?, how did this go down?))

http://01network.awardspace.com/hov...rafts/Rules.php

Tyndall · 04/24/2008 17:09:50

Updated with transmissions from the final stages of the battle.

Marias · 04/24/2008 17:16:00

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

"Marias rolls a number between 1 and 3: 1"

MatrixRefugee · 04/24/2008 17:20:30

Tyndall wrote:

Updated with transmissions from the final stages of the battle.

Hee, the visual scans on this really help enhance the immediacy of the engagement. Thanks for including them!

(( And is it me, or was someone taking a *LOT* of shots of us Mervs? I suspect someone liked Sieges's white outfit, hee!))

Lt0Brien · 04/24/2008 17:24:04

Tis nice to recieve recognition for this, I mean 5.5 hours long in battle amist the yelling bickering a majorly annoying and frustrating entrance of Merv ships(however understandable they may have been). Even though both Zion and EPN had doubts frombeing surrounded, out numbered by atleast three, not including some over powered ships, and being over all *CENSORED* tired from being under the stress of all of the fighting. In the end all of us REFUSED to give up and showed the Mechs and Cyphs up with a 8-1 Win (eight kills for us(including the two who lost connection) one kill for them).

My crew is still cleaning the oil off our windshields from the slaughter that was that battle.

((hopefully more people join the battles after we finally get one as an LE, and we got a very small mention in the Crit here too, no names though just the battle))

Roukan · 04/24/2008 17:29:33

Why do I see Vinia and Illyria in almost every Zion-esque Live Event post?))

Steelle · 04/24/2008 17:34:51

((I find that last shot priceless, as well as the one with everyone at the bar. LOL

Also its kinda cool to be quoted in the title for the LE post. SMILEY ))

Illyria22 · 04/24/2008 17:36:27

Roukan wrote:

Why do I see Vinia and Illyria in almost every Zion-esque Live Event post?))

Because I, um, participated in this battle? SMILEY

Good fight, everyone.

Illyria

Roukan · 04/24/2008 18:08:36

Illyria22 wrote:

Roukan wrote:
Why do I see Vinia and Illyria in almost every Zion-esque Live Event post?))

Because I, um, participated in this battle? " />
Good fight, everyone.
Illyria

((No no. I meant in like.. every single thread that would provide some incentive to cause pointless arguments. Like Halborne's waistline and stuff.))

Croesis · 04/25/2008 00:54:12

Roukan wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
Roukan wrote:
Why do I see Vinia and Illyria in almost every Zion-esque Live Event post?))

Because I, um, participated in this battle?
Good fight, everyone.
Illyria
((No no. I meant in like.. every single thread that would provide some incentive to cause pointless arguments. Like Halborne's waistline and stuff.))

((That's just silly, thats not a subject worth debating about. His waistline is obviously 38 inches anyone saying anything else is mad! As for debates, it'd be a dull old world if each viewpoint wasn't up for some scruitiny and presented with an alternate. I've 'argued' with Neoteny, GamiSB and even PS10N and loved every second of it. There's no better way of stimulating the mind and getting down to bare facts when you're trying to stump your 'opponant'. It is usually, but not restricted to, Zion events which allow for a good debate))

Mindsweep · 04/25/2008 03:03:28

I just wish to thanks our Zion and EPN fellow's for saving Lock and it feels good to see the Cypherite's and the Mech's bite the dust.

GF

MindsweepX

Procurator · 04/25/2008 03:09:37

Stanten wrote:

Actually, you made a point that I was holding in reserve. Had we not discovered new Zion when we did, they'd have almost definitely retrieved all of their provisions, equipment and personel before your bosses decided to make a move. How nice would it have been for them to be fully fortified at around the time of Halborn's arrival when the Machines pulled all of their resources back to their city? And can you please remind me again who the Machines went to and asked to coordinate a strike against Old Zion with? While we're on the topic, what exactly have people like you managed to accompolish?
This is pretty pathetic. Before the war, we operated much the same as we do now while you were leashed and muzzled, merely a barking dog with no bite.. Now that the war's going on, little has changed. We do what we do, you've been unleashed and are now sans muzzle, and you sat down and kept up the barking but you still don't bite. I'm just glad that not all Machinists share your views.

Ah-hahahah! You're a little late to all this, aren't you? I've covered it a thousand times before.

Although I think you missed the point I made about New Zion: its discovery did nothing but make everyone's lives a misery. Now we're at war, a war which several Machinists find to be a waste, and which is doing nothing to improve the future for anyone.

What would have happened if you hadn't found it? Nothing worth bothering with. Zion would have moved in its entirety to New Zion and then... what? Again, nothing. They'd be holed up in their little bomb shelter unable to do jack. The technicalities of the Truce aside, I don't see any reason for Zion to not have a cute little fortified base, especially if they can't do anything against the Machines from it. I'll freely admit I think the Machines overreacted to New Zion's existence. You have done no one a service by discovering it.

The strike against Old Zion? Yeah, that was a really critical move, wasn't it? Pfft. It still puzzles me why the Machines bothered to tear it down at all. Probably just having a bad day and wanted to wreck something. So they sent you lot to do it instead of the Machinists who were allowed to get on with their jobs. And if the Machines were that intent on destroying Old Zion, if they saw it as a truly critical goal, they'd have just done it entirely by themselves by sending swarms of Sentinels at it like usual. They didn't need you.

And now you're going to question my worth? Heh. If you want to know what people like me have achieved, at least do me the courtesy of reading my public profile. Here, I'll make it easy for you: http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...e.m?user_id=634

As for your last paragraph... oh, that one's too sweet. First of all, we were not muzzled and leashed during the Truce. I mean, muzzled against what exactly? Oh yeah, naturally we really wanted to get out of the shackles of our employment and go kill Zionites.

Are you whacked? We were at peace, or on the smooth road to achieving it properly! And we were loving it. You were the ones running about ruining it for everyone, along with EPN.

And now, the difference between us is clear. You've got your war and you love it; finally a chance to really kill more Redpills! And us? No, we'd rather not, thank you. The more militarisitic among us will follow orders during this war as and when they come down, and the rest of us will try to avoid combat whenever possible. Who's the better human being?

Croesis · 04/25/2008 03:23:26

Procurator wrote:

You have done no one a service by discovering it.

Apart from themselves of course...

Erythnul · 04/25/2008 03:58:19

Vinia wrote:

Procurator wrote:
You have done no one a service by discovering it.
Apart from themselves of course...

Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful.

Procurator · 04/25/2008 04:01:42

You could try making a case for your work's worth instead of making snide remarks at my fellow Machinists.

Croesis · 04/25/2008 04:02:06

Erythnul wrote:

Vinia wrote:
Procurator wrote:
You have done no one a service by discovering it.
Apart from themselves of course...
Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful.

Well how about you tell us the good that's come from it?

Erythnul · 04/25/2008 04:10:47

Vinia wrote:

Erythnul wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Procurator wrote:
You have done no one a service by discovering it.
Apart from themselves of course...
Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful.
Well how about you tell us the good that's come from it?

Can't. You all are too "efficient" beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I'd rather talk to an automated service. I'd get more out of it than just your obviously expected, "You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah."

We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?

Croesis · 04/25/2008 04:19:28

Erythnul wrote:

Can't. You all are too "efficient" beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I'd rather talk to an automated service. I'd get more out of it than just your obviously expected, "You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah."

We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?

A sincere conversation is one that you can provide reasoning for what your saying, if you can't do that then I agree it is pointless. Oh and I don't think you have done nothing for the Machines at all. Machinists usually want to understand the Machines reasoning, ask question and provide alternate avenues of action, you are the easiest option for something to be done quickly without question which usually involves violance which satify's the Cyph need for it. However, I can't see anything good that has come from what you've done.

Procurator · 04/25/2008 04:26:25

Erythnul wrote:

Can't. You all are too "efficient" beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I'd rather talk to an automated service. I'd get more out of it than just your obviously expected, "You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah."

We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?

Ah now, not only can you not converse with us, but you seem to be unable to characterise us properly either. When have we brough up efficiency? Why are the Machinists continually berated for their love of efficiency when in actuality it's the Machines that are such sticklers for it? And even then it's not as clear cut as people like to think it is.

We aren't 100% efficient. We're just better. Better strategists, better combatants (if the other night is anything to go by) and better people.