Image Retrieval - April 23, 2008

Well, I can't hate this update. I for one do use guns from time to time and to be able to use a different type would be a good thing, however, I gotta look at what this will do in the long run. This game is already soooo unbalanced in terms of ranged VS MAs. This may add to that some, I really think rarebit should start working on something for mas to be more balanced when fighting ranged attackers and making it so root stacks is not the answer.

 I think he should add a special feature for mas to make it more balanced but what he could add idk, maybe like a area slow or something like that.

But otherwise good update. =)

"The Gun Knows!"

Well, I can't hate this update. I for one do use guns from time to time and to be able to use a different type would be a good thing, however, I gotta look at what this will do in the long run. This game is already soooo unbalanced in terms of ranged VS MAs. This may add to that some, I really think rarebit should start working on something for mas to be more balanced when fighting ranged attackers and making it so root stacks is not the answer.

 I think he should add a special feature for mas to make it more balanced but what he could add idk, maybe like a area slow or something like that.

But otherwise good update. =)

Skull101 wrote:

Well, I can't hate this update. I for one do use guns from time to time and to be able to use a different type would be a good thing, however, I gotta look at what this will do in the long run. This game is already soooo unbalanced in terms of ranged VS MAs. This may add to that some, I really think rarebit should start working on something for mas to be more balanced when fighting ranged attackers and making it so root stacks is not the answer.

 I think he should add a special feature for mas to make it more balanced but what he could add idk, maybe like a area slow or something like that.

But otherwise good update. =)

Agreed..For a Hong Kong action fan Rare you seem to forget that we have martial arts too....

TonyJaa wrote:

Skull101 wrote:

Well, I can't hate this update. I for one do use guns from time to time and to be able to use a different type would be a good thing, however, I gotta look at what this will do in the long run. This game is already soooo unbalanced in terms of ranged VS MAs. This may add to that some, I really think rarebit should start working on something for mas to be more balanced when fighting ranged attackers and making it so root stacks is not the answer.

 I think he should add a special feature for mas to make it more balanced but what he could add idk, maybe like a area slow or something like that.

But otherwise good update. =)

Agreed..For a Hong Kong action fan Rare you seem to forget that we have martial arts too....

Is there a base damage for a level 50 MA?

Vinia wrote:

Is there a base damage for a level 50 MA?

What Vinia means is a gunner is only as good as their guns, and the level 50 Rifles we have now break too easily, the pistols and SMGs have accuracy debuffs.  If you want Ehanced we have to take a damage decrease.

All trees have got a bum deal when it comes to range attackers (and without 2 Hypers it only got worse) but it isn't like MA isn't protected from ranged attacks, take a look at the Area K for a start.

Vinia wrote:

TonyJaa wrote:

Agreed..For a Hong Kong action fan Rare you seem to forget that we have martial arts too....

Is there a base damage for a level 50 MA?

Well regardless lets look at the basics, MA = mainly hand to hand combat. A gunner will naturally have the edge as they don't require to be in IL, although when OoIL a gunner can have difficulty hitting with a special especially if the MA is using hyperdodge and high ball defence. A MA can easily, it seems, string a row of specials which inflicts major damage to a gunner whilst in IL. The Max base damage for a pistol is what 15? only they've yet to arrive so unless you have a FM-1500 the max currently is 14 (I think) If MA base damage is 15 because of their level and non-dependance of equipment, and can freefire punches and kicks to someone already in IL then having the lvl 50 weaponry is only fair.

Not to say that the MA tree shouldn't be looked at but keeping it realistic, I think that the best way of giving MA's a chance would be for them to naturally have an easier time to break peoples shields apart from Hackers... 

Guns.Lots of guns...woot thx Rarebit!

 I'd be awesome if we had that kind of LA as well but the only things u can pick up (see em on the ground) besides luggables are bits i think, so no go.Maybe one day..."

TonyJaa wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Is there a base damage for a level 50 MA?

What Vinia means is a gunner is only as good as their guns, and the level 50 Rifles we have now break too easily, the pistols and SMGs have accuracy debuffs.  If you want Ehanced we have to take a damage decrease.

All trees have got a bum deal when it comes to range attackers (and without 2 Hypers it only got worse) but it isn't like MA isn't protected from ranged attacks, take a look at the Area K for a start.

SolidRevolver wrote:

TonyJaa wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Is there a base damage for a level 50 MA?

What Vinia means is a gunner is only as good as their guns, and the level 50 Rifles we have now break too easily, the pistols and SMGs have accuracy debuffs.  If you want Ehanced we have to take a damage decrease.

All trees have got a bum deal when it comes to range attackers (and without 2 Hypers it only got worse) but it isn't like MA isn't protected from ranged attacks, take a look at the Area K for a start.

Now don't get me wrong..By all means this is a great update for people that use guns.And there's a lot of them.Vinia mentioned the damage ma do but forgot to mention Area K,elite commando clothes and now this..

VERY COOL! 

AWSOME THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

when do we get them?

AWSOME THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

when do we get them?

Good stuff. And good work devs.

I'll be looking forward to this.

...I am now going back to my one true love... GUNS

while leveling up an alt in anticipation to get to lvl 35 to farm those clothes in the last image retrieval i noticed i got a few weapons drops with a chance of states will these bonuses be implemented in the new level 50 enhanced weapons or will it just be accuracy bonuses

Question... 300 plus variants of existing guns?   Can we expect any new MODELS as well?

Looks good! Can't wait!

Looks good! Can't wait!

I don't suppose there will be any differences between say, a level 50 FM and a leve 50 Westek, would there?

TheTaxidermist wrote:

I don't suppose there will be any differences between say, a level 50 FM and a leve 50 Westek, would there?

There isn't one between the level 50 FM-1100s and the Augmented Redpill Specials so I'd guess not.

TheTaxidermist wrote:

I don't suppose there will be any differences between say, a level 50 FM and a leve 50 Westek, would there?

There isn't one between the level 50 FM-1100s and the Augmented Redpill Specials so I'd guess not.

Yea as mentioned some gunz of the same level have different timers and damage outputs, but if they're both duel pistols then no there shouldnt be. (for example rifles have damage increase - longer timers, SMg's short timers - less damage)

Question: Sniper rifles, not sure if the models are different here between levels but if they are is there any chance of seeing new level 50 "snipers"? I dont think they're different tho cant check atm :/

Can't wait for nikishi tempest type SMG's for Jaypine (: they're my favourite types of smg they're quieter and look better than the "UZI" types xD

Rarebit.....

"Gunners Class" receive a lot of upgrades in this year (commando clothes, FM1500)...and now more weapons. With addition of the ORG abilities, a "Gunner Machine" is mega-overpower....

Im Zion, Martial Arts....Now we havent the "numbers" (most time outnumber 10 vs 1), every class of this game pwns MAs in IL (and trust me, im a good MA...). Gunners can Max damage, accuracy and defense...Snipers can kill U with 240 resist in 4 shots....forget more GUN UPGRADES!.

-Snipers have Overdrive Bandana. Gunners have FM1500, Commando Clothes for max accu and damage, AreaK, Clamors with STUN and high rate of fire, can max defense. Actually a gunslinger OWNs everyone in IL.

-Oh, and dont forget Gunners have powerfull specials like FULL AUTO REDUX or Sneak abilities (Escape and evasion).

-Also have root specials and super long-range!. A sniper can kill us in 4 shots!.

Please put more attention on MAs....he dont have nothing!!!!!!. 

-MA specials fails a lot!!!!. (Dummy Drill, Tomo nage, etc etc). +7 accuracy boost when pistol execution is near +40

-havent ROOT or SNEAK.

-MA=4seg specials reuse and need Interlok. An SMG can shot 2 times in this time, shot other enemy and jump because dont need IL. 

-Havent guns!. Havent clothes! Havent long range!. 

PLEASE SAVE MARTIAL ARTS!!!!!.

Rarebit.....

"Gunners Class" receive a lot of upgrades in this year (commando clothes, FM1500)...and now more weapons. With addition of the ORG abilities, a "Gunner Machine" is mega-overpower....
Commando Suit also gives defence from guns aswell as Knifes, FM-1500 is impossible to earn outside the Mach org and even then it isn't likely and Org Abils aren't even in game anymore.

Im Zion, Martial Arts....Now we havent the "numbers" (most time outnumber 10 vs 1), every class of this game pwns MAs in IL (and trust me, im a good MA...). Gunners can Max damage, accuracy and defense...Snipers can kill U with 240 resist in 4 shots....forget more GUN UPGRADES!.
If your an MA getting beat in IL, trust me, you need a little more practise.

-Snipers have Overdrive Bandana. Gunners have FM1500, Commando Clothes for max accu and damage, AreaK, Clamors with STUN and high rate of fire, can max defense. Actually a gunslinger OWNs everyone in IL.
MAs have Overdrive Dana, Commando Clothes. Area K is for protection against Guns, Clamors have an accuracy debuff when you equipt them.

-Oh, and dont forget Gunners have powerfull specials like FULL AUTO REDUX or Sneak abilities (Escape and evasion).
Need a daze to use FAR, only sneak attack is Sniper and that takes an age to use EnE is exactly what it says, it is for escaping fights.

-Also have root specials and super long-range!. A sniper can kill us in 4 shots!
MA: Daze, WDD, DMS + spamming Suicidal Butterfly?

Please put more attention on MAs....he dont have nothing!!!!!!
Cant deny it needs a little attention to get some things aswell as fixs its broken and bugged bits. 

-MA specials fails a lot!!!!. (Dummy Drill, Tomo nage, etc etc)
More accuracy?

-havent ROOT or SNEAK.
They could do with a root at least

-Havent guns!. Havent clothes! Havent long range!. 
You can use guns

PLEASE SAVE MARTIAL ARTS!!!!!.

You sure the gloves have defense buffs on them? I don't remember the Elite Commando gloves have defensive buffs.

tripity3 wrote:

Rarebit.....

"Gunners Class" receive a lot of upgrades in this year (commando clothes, FM1500)...and now more weapons. With addition of the ORG abilities, a "Gunner Machine" is mega-overpower....
Commando Suit also gives defence from guns aswell as Knifes, FM-1500 is impossible to earn outside the Mach org and even then it isn't likely and Org Abils aren't even in game anymore.

Im Zion, Martial Arts....Now we havent the "numbers" (most time outnumber 10 vs 1), every class of this game pwns MAs in IL (and trust me, im a good MA...). Gunners can Max damage, accuracy and defense...Snipers can kill U with 240 resist in 4 shots....forget more GUN UPGRADES!.
If your an MA getting beat in IL, trust me, you need a little more practise.

-Snipers have Overdrive Bandana. Gunners have FM1500, Commando Clothes for max accu and damage, AreaK, Clamors with STUN and high rate of fire, can max defense. Actually a gunslinger OWNs everyone in IL.
MAs have Overdrive Dana, Commando Clothes. Area K is for protection against Guns, Clamors have an accuracy debuff when you equipt them.

-Oh, and dont forget Gunners have powerfull specials like FULL AUTO REDUX or Sneak abilities (Escape and evasion).
Need a daze to use FAR, only sneak attack is Sniper and that takes an age to use EnE is exactly what it says, it is for escaping fights.

-Also have root specials and super long-range!. A sniper can kill us in 4 shots!
MA: Daze, WDD, DMS + spamming Suicidal Butterfly?

Please put more attention on MAs....he dont have nothing!!!!!!
Cant deny it needs a little attention to get some things aswell as fixs its broken and bugged bits. 

-MA specials fails a lot!!!!. (Dummy Drill, Tomo nage, etc etc)
More accuracy?

-havent ROOT or SNEAK.
They could do with a root at least

-Havent guns!. Havent clothes! Havent long range!. 
You can use guns

PLEASE SAVE MARTIAL ARTS!!!!!.

SolidRevolver wrote:

tripity3 wrote:

Rarebit.....

"Gunners Class" receive a lot of upgrades in this year (commando clothes, FM1500)...and now more weapons. With addition of the ORG abilities, a "Gunner Machine" is mega-overpower....
Commando Suit also gives defence from guns aswell as Knifes, FM-1500 is impossible to earn outside the Mach org and even then it isn't likely and Org Abils aren't even in game anymore.

Im Zion, Martial Arts....Now we havent the "numbers" (most time outnumber 10 vs 1), every class of this game pwns MAs in IL (and trust me, im a good MA...). Gunners can Max damage, accuracy and defense...Snipers can kill U with 240 resist in 4 shots....forget more GUN UPGRADES!.
If your an MA getting beat in IL, trust me, you need a little more practise.

-Snipers have Overdrive Bandana. Gunners have FM1500, Commando Clothes for max accu and damage, AreaK, Clamors with STUN and high rate of fire, can max defense. Actually a gunslinger OWNs everyone in IL.
MAs have Overdrive Dana, Commando Clothes. Area K is for protection against Guns, Clamors have an accuracy debuff when you equipt them.

-Oh, and dont forget Gunners have powerfull specials like FULL AUTO REDUX or Sneak abilities (Escape and evasion).
Need a daze to use FAR, only sneak attack is Sniper and that takes an age to use EnE is exactly what it says, it is for escaping fights.

-Also have root specials and super long-range!. A sniper can kill us in 4 shots!
MA: Daze, WDD, DMS + spamming Suicidal Butterfly?

Please put more attention on MAs....he dont have nothing!!!!!!
Cant deny it needs a little attention to get some things aswell as fixs its broken and bugged bits. 

-MA specials fails a lot!!!!. (Dummy Drill, Tomo nage, etc etc)
More accuracy?

-havent ROOT or SNEAK.
They could do with a root at least

-Havent guns!. Havent clothes! Havent long range!. 
You can use guns

PLEASE SAVE MARTIAL ARTS!!!!!.

You are kidding,right?Have you seen a lot of Ma's wear Overdrive bandana or Commando clothes?And for what purpose?I use the Area K on the rare occasion i have an 1 on 1 with a gunner or when there are too many hackers around!I wouldn't sacrifice my resistances to wear clothes that are useless to martial arts.What we need is balance.And at the moment guns are a priority,for a reason i cannot understand!!!

One class is allways overpowered against another class so I don't see the point in this discussion. Last year the whole hacker tree with Patcher, coder got new cloths, abilities etc. This year is the gunman and maybe some other classes .... And if you get 10 vs 1 in PvP is not the MA class that is the problem.

GF

Can I add the Quicksilver gloves to that list too.

I am not saying MA is fine as it is, I do agree it could do with a little Rarebit (and Dracomet) loving, what I am saying though is it isn't a completely useless waste of code that everyone seems to be claiming.

Ey Rarebit, can you tell us when will be the next update with all these new stuff? Approximately 

DucKKeRR wrote:

Ey Rarebit, can you tell us when will be the next update with all these new stuff? Approximately 

2 weeks 3 days