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[10.1.2] Mach mission feedback thread: "Jurisdiction"
25 posts · 2008-04-09 21:04:42 to 2008-04-15 16:40:32
(( Ooh, interesting name. Based on that, it could be a good one. ))
(( *preps Phoenix Wright objection puns for comical purpose* ))
(( Not anything unexpected content wise (go here, kill that, search that PC, meet that person, etc.) but some quite interesting story tidbits to move things along. Oh, and the operator complaining about the Cyphs is always welcome hehe ))
The Oligarchs, eh? So the intruders are definitely from some sort of community, and probably quite a large one to warrant its own government.
Good to see a further reminder that the Machines don't trust the Cypherites any further than they could spit at them from. They can swagger about all they want, but the Machines will turn on them soon enough - and then I'll be pleased to accept our new orders.
Good to see a further reminder that the Machines don't trust the Cypherites any further than they could spit at them from. They can swagger about all they want, but the Machines will turn on them soon enough - and then I'll be pleased to accept our new orders.
The Oligarchs? After talking with a friend, this and this was brought back to our attention after discussing what they could be.
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Zudrag wrote:
Also the Hypatia event ( http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300009174 ) that people think may be related to this "Zion Intel" about colonies happened two months (about two sub-chapters) after the sketch was made.
The Oligarchs? After talking with a friend, this was brought back to our attention after discussing what they could be.If there's an Oligarch, there might be a possible colony, and if there's a colony then what does it contain? If it contains Machine sympathizers from before the war that agreed to some kind of deal (get hooked up to machines so they can live a lot longer and for the Machines... I dunno what) then is the above picture related?
Also the Hypatia event ( http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300009174 ) that people think may be related to this "Zion Intel" about colonies happened two months (about two sub-chapters) after the sketch was made.
Hey man, good thinking. I forgot about that sketch. Agents would have no business in the Zero-One construct, and couldn't exist in the real Zero-One, so that image never made much sense.
So then, people in the mysterious colony still wear ties?
*Goes to check if there were any possibly relevant sketches made around the same time.*
So then, people in the mysterious colony still wear ties?
*Goes to check if there were any possibly relevant sketches made around the same time.*
I am also reminded of the Merv chapter 8 critical missions, where Humans would disappear from the Matrix and be made into able bodies in the real. Halborn has also said he has lived "this way for centuries". We also know the Machines have the ability to overwrite human minds with programs, who's to say if they can overwrite a human mind with another human mind?
What conclusion do any of you draw from this, if any?
What conclusion do any of you draw from this, if any?
I can't draw any conclusions, but I hope that when the big reveal happens and we discover there really is a free human civilisation outside the petty Cycle and the war between Zion and Zero-One that this civilisation won't be massive, and won't take up, say, half of the planet. 'Cos that's bound to conflict with people's RP again. I'm sure some people have been a great distance in their hovercrafts.
Something smaller, something tucked away in a valley somewhere (maybe even with clear skies), or underground (but much nicer than Zion - think D'ni), or maybe even above the clouds!
Eh, I'll try to reel my imagination in again. This'll just take a moment...
Something smaller, something tucked away in a valley somewhere (maybe even with clear skies), or underground (but much nicer than Zion - think D'ni), or maybe even above the clouds!
Eh, I'll try to reel my imagination in again. This'll just take a moment...
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Hmmm... A nice decent sized Biosphere somewhere on the other side of the planet. Perhaps an alternate Zion and an alternate Machine city but who's diplomacy is a lot better... so working together... ish...
Gray sends us to meet Carlyne who is talking to some other Machine guys! Carlyne said he will tell the Oligarchs to restrict Halborn's access once he is removed from the Matrix... what in the world are the Oligarchs? 0.o Agent Pace was here too, and acted like all of the problems were going to be solved.. she sent me to Agent Gray to focus on something else! :O There was also a Machine guy I talked to here who said Seraph Sati and the Morpheus sim have been missing since the Oracle was killed!
Gray said the Cypherites haven't given them enough information about the thingy that the Oracle gave them, so I have to see Veil about it! Veil said they haven't been able to break it, but they were also told to keep it safe, so they will keep it to themselves and out of the Matrix for now! Gray says that EPN probably has done the same and have it either on a ship, or in old Zion. He wants to find out!!
The plan is to break into an EPN hideout and plant a message on the computer saying the fragment is gone! After this, try to sneak to another EPN place and see how they react to the message! It sort of worked, and the Machines think they have the code in Zion! Gray wants to work on gathering information about the new stuff that EPN has done to Zion now!
Ah, so they were named Oligarchs after all! I thought the initial intruder's name was Oligarch, but now it actually makes more sense that it refers to his colony. Hmm...
Not his colony, just its rulers. They probably fulfill exactly the same function as Zion's Council, but Rare/Chadders called them Oligarchs to avoid any confusion.
Info about oligarchies, the most oddly named form of government I've ever heard of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
Info about oligarchies, the most oddly named form of government I've ever heard of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
GamiSB wrote:
Vinia wrote:Fine but even if it was control by way of coercion wouldn't that mean that the destruction of each Zion, the (probably) millions of dead, the renewed war etc... perhaps even the maintaining of the pod towers down to Humans and not Machines? Has Zion's hate been directed only at the tool used by other Humans for their own survival and superiority?GamiSB wrote:Vinia wrote:Ah I see... so you're saying that the Humans could possibly be controlling them or in command of them? Is that what you're driving at?Controlling in some form would be my guess. Last night Carlyne informed a few of us that the Machines know where Halbron s located which got me asking why hey leave him alive if he is such a problem. My first idea was that he had some higher purpose and they need him alive. But then I got to thinking about exactly what it is the Matrix symbolizes for them. Their power, might, strength and if they are this scared of Halbron and Carylne inside the simulation one can guess that that same fear carries over into the real. Why else would they want to pull all sentinels back t 01 for something accruing inside the simulation.
Hmmm... ok, I'm willing to entertain the idea and you have a point but as far as we can tell these guys have been around for a while. How long, according to your hypothesis and what we've found out recently, would these Humans have been exerting some form of control over the Machines and would that extend to all of the Machines?How long I can't say. Halbron's knowledge of past events outside and how the Matrix has gone through cycles would indicate that this group has been around long enough to see this all happen so for now I'll say since the beginning. How far it extends? All the way to the top of the Machine pyramid.
What kind of control it is though I don't know. I don't think its a direct control like the way the Machines are over bluepills. That is to say that I don't think Halbron or Carlyne have some kind of authority above the Machines. I think that it is perhaps they are a symbol of that control above them. Perhaps something along the way the Oracle used control over everyone else.
From what I read, he never said anything about Zion, just that Halborn and Carlyne have some kind of control over the Machines..
Panderai wrote:
From what I read, he never said anything about Zion, just that Halborn and Carlyne have some kind of control over the Machines..Mhmm... Actually he theorised that a colony (The Humans that Halborn and Carlyne come from) may exert some form of control over the Machines possibly since the beginning. Possibly extending all the way to the top of the Machine pyramid. He didn't say anything about Zion but if these Humans were controlling the Machines in some way especially during the time Zion got destroyed several times and didn't prevent it's destruction, wouldn't that mean it a Human doing rather than Machine?
Oh lord...
What if there's been a truce all along.
And we're part of that.
There was a war.
The war ended.
The machines kept a certain percentage of humanity under control.
...
I dunno, guess it's just my imagination running wild now.
What if there's been a truce all along.
And we're part of that.
There was a war.
The war ended.
The machines kept a certain percentage of humanity under control.
...
I dunno, guess it's just my imagination running wild now.
GamiSB wrote:
I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.
This is all very twisted. Very very sick.
Vinia wrote:
That would be the case if I am correct.
GamiSB wrote:Vinia wrote:Fine but even if it was control by way of coercion wouldn't that mean that the destruction of each Zion, the (probably) millions of dead, the renewed war etc... perhaps even the maintaining of the pod towers down to Humans and not Machines? Has Zion's hate been directed only at the tool used by other Humans for their own survival and superiority?GamiSB wrote:Vinia wrote:Ah I see... so you're saying that the Humans could possibly be controlling them or in command of them? Is that what you're driving at?Controlling in some form would be my guess. Last night Carlyne informed a few of us that the Machines know where Halbron s located which got me asking why hey leave him alive if he is such a problem. My first idea was that he had some higher purpose and they need him alive. But then I got to thinking about exactly what it is the Matrix symbolizes for them. Their power, might, strength and if they are this scared of Halbron and Carylne inside the simulation one can guess that that same fear carries over into the real. Why else would they want to pull all sentinels back t 01 for something accruing inside the simulation.
Hmmm... ok, I'm willing to entertain the idea and you have a point but as far as we can tell these guys have been around for a while. How long, according to your hypothesis and what we've found out recently, would these Humans have been exerting some form of control over the Machines and would that extend to all of the Machines?How long I can't say. Halbron's knowledge of past events outside and how the Matrix has gone through cycles would indicate that this group has been around long enough to see this all happen so for now I'll say since the beginning. How far it extends? All the way to the top of the Machine pyramid.
What kind of control it is though I don't know. I don't think its a direct control like the way the Machines are over bluepills. That is to say that I don't think Halbron or Carlyne have some kind of authority above the Machines. I think that it is perhaps they are a symbol of that control above them. Perhaps something along the way the Oracle used control over everyone else.
That would be the case if I am correct.
ThePigeonKing wrote:
GamiSB wrote:Will just have to wait and seeI don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Although it's clear that the colony can definitely hold its own against the Machines.
GamiSB wrote:I agree with Capone. I don't think it's a matter of the colony controlling the Machines, rather that they're held in check through nothing more than diplomacy. There's an agreement between the two, and peace reigns on Earth. The War and the Cycles are a petty affair which the colony doesn't particularly care about.I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.
Although it's clear that the colony can definitely hold its own against the Machines.
Procurator wrote:
ThePigeonKing wrote:Well we will just see. Just seems a bit odd that one of those two is more or less freaking out over and that nothing is being done in the real about Halbron despite knowing where he is.GamiSB wrote:I agree with Capone. I don't think it's a matter of the colony controlling the Machines, rather that they're held in check through nothing more than diplomacy. There's an agreement between the two, and peace reigns on Earth. The War and the Cycles are a petty affair which the colony doesn't particularly care about.I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.
Although it's clear that the colony can definitely hold its own against the Machines.