Oracle's funeral, Debir Court.

"I will go next, if it agrees...This day we gather to mourn the loss of a close advisor, confidant, and friend.  In the time that I have been in the matrix, the occasions I met with the Oracle were small, but I can tell you this, in those times that I met her, I gained so much inspiration.  With the guidance we have been given, the encouragement, and the subtle ways of telling us just enough.  She has always been a friend to us, all of us, no matter our disposition.  In the times I fought alongside morpheus a long time ago, he would speak of her with none but admiration and recognition...We must look to see what direction we must go now, Zion.  We must see where our decisions lie, as that was her case the whole time.  If she is not to return with us, then I am afraid, but I am also confidant that we will be able to carry on.  Thank you, my people, and may peace be with you."

I only got the pleasure of meeting her once as well but her words still ring through my head

telling me that we all have a purpose

for a long time I didn't know what that purpose really was until here recently

My purpose is teaching freed mines about the past and how to prepare for what lies next for them

grouping up with all that were there against the battle against Halborn showed how she believes in all of us to help out each other

and harkee said it best to let this unfold how it did us all must be strong and see what lies ahead for her next plan

until then we will keep doing what we all do best fight for Zion and be strong

She was a key role in the matrix itself. She was the one who unbalanced things for others to rebalance. She gave us all a purpose. Regardless of who you are she was the one who told us what we needed to hear regardless of the role we ended up in. If it wasnt for her there might have not been a first truce. It is sad to see her gone but I do not believe she has left. We need now to strive for peace and a truce more than ever. It is safe to say that if Halborn didnt stop at her and risked unstabilizing the matrix, none of us are safe. NONE.

*takes moment of silence for the oracle*

 We must now protect Sati from the dangers and further pursue peace and a truce. This is not always accomplished by force delat by emotions.

 Thank you to lil Twie, LtGamble, 7hor, and all others who spoke at the service.

Side Note:  I understand listening in on events and attacking and defending during events. But the way some acted at the funeral was uncalled for. Some acted like lil kids and showed the maturity level of them as well.

The Oracle was a mentor to us all.  She believed in the freedom and the cooperation of the Human race and the Machines.  Morpheus and Neo both followed her until the day they died.  Hundreds have laid down their lives fighting for the same thing she believed in.
And now she laid down her own.  

I don't know what she was thinking, but there is no doubt in my mind that she had a plan.  She has done plenty of risky things in the past.  Rama-Kandra helped the Merovingian delete her shell, and still she returned and helped Rama-Kandra, his wife Kamala, out and took their daughter, Sati, under her wing.  She baked cookies the day she let Smith assimilate her, and still she returned.  It was in Debir Court that she let Halborn kill her.  And it was there that she put her newest plan into action.

All we have to do now is see where it goes.

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, The Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Oracle's purpose is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction. As discovered by Neo, the prophecy is "just another system of control." The role of the Architect is then to reunite the One with the Source and bring about the destruction of Zion. The pair together ensure that the Matrix is rebooted and the population of Zion starts over when necessary, thus bringing the cycle of the Ones full cirle and ensuring control over the humans for at least one more cycle.))

((omg Here I'll make it pink so you can't miss it and can't misunderstand.

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, The Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Oracle's purpose is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction. As discovered by Neo, the prophecy is "just another system of control." The role of the Architect is then to reunite the One with the Source and bring about the destruction of Zion. The pair together ensure that the Matrix is rebooted and the population of Zion starts over when necessary, thus bringing the cycle of the Ones full cirle and ensuring control over the humans for at least one more cycle.))

*waltzes in from Recursion, whistling awkwardly*

((sorry, sonofthree, but I think you're not reading the last part of that article. 

In the final two films, the Oracle succeeds in unbalancing the Matrix (seeing the simultaneous rises of both Neo and Smith) to the extent that it is almost destroyed. However, in so doing, she manages to bring about a resolution in which the machines and the humans can coexist in peace.

The system of control was to keep the cycle repeating itself: Zion being destroyed, the Matrix being reset, and a new One appearing, etc.  She didn't do that.  Instead, she found a way to have Neo choose Trinity over the rest of Humanity, leading to the cycle being broken.  Therefore, her purpose might have been to be part of the system of control, but that's not what she was.))

((omg Here I'll make it pink so you can't miss it and can't misunderstand.

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, The Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Oracle's purpose is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction. As discovered by Neo, the prophecy is "just another system of control." The role of the Architect is then to reunite the One with the Source and bring about the destruction of Zion. The pair together ensure that the Matrix is rebooted and the population of Zion starts over when necessary, thus bringing the cycle of the Ones full cirle and ensuring control over the humans for at least one more cycle.))

Heh, but the Destruction of Zion never happened. The Oracle interveined. Or dont you remember her coming through Smith at the end of the Burly brawl?

It was all her, and always has been my friend.

All I have to say is

PARTY

yep.

((too all the morons that don't get why mervs would react with glee at the funeral of the old *CENSORED*, lrn2storyline))


Edit: And seriously she was part of the system of control

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*.  everyone else includeing the people who showed up towards the end for the ma tourney acted like a bunch of *CENSORED* four year olds. 

and i do know the storyline.

((It was the smith malfunction that ended the cycle NOT the Oracle or Neo. Had it not been for the smith virus zion would have been destroyed and they would have just started over. The prophecy was nothing more than control, the prophecy said nothing about a rogue exiled program it said the defeate of the machines. you guys read way way way too much into it to try to justify your character choices which I can understand IC but OOC it gets to the point of being silly.


The last two lines of the article are speculation, nothing in the source material can confirm nor deny. The truce obviously didn't bring about peace between the Machines and Zionists even when you don't take player plots into consideration. and furthermore she's always acted in game to protect the system not humanity look it up.))

((We're not reading too much into it, sonofthree.  I don't think you're reading into it enough.    My take on this has nothing to do with justifying my character choice, and you wouldn't know anyway since we aren't even on the same server. 

This is the last couple of lines in Revolutions:

Oracle: Well, now, ain't this a surprise.
Architect: You've played a very dangerous game.
Oracle: Change always is.
Architect: Just how long do you think this peace is going to last?
Oracle: As long as it can.
{Architect starts walking away}
Oracle: What about the others?
Architect: What others?
Oracle: The ones that want out.
Architect: Obviously, they will be freed.
Oracle: I have your word?
Architect: What do you think I am? Human?

She's been fighting for the freedom of humanity all along, imo.

I have a theory, and this is just a theory, but my theory is that every time the simulation reset, the Oracle tried different ways to bring about full and absolute peace.  All the times she tried, she failed.  The One of that version still picked the door on the right, Zion was destroyed, and 23 humans were chosen to repopulate Zion.  The 6th time, she kinda sorta pushed Trinity and Neo into falling in love with each other which finally lead to Neo choosing the door on his left back to Trinity and eventually to peace.

Smith just sort of helped.  Gami's take on things is interesting to think about, as well.   )

((Its computer code, there is nothing mystical about it. You accept that werewolves exists in the matrix because they are code, you accept that vampires exist in the matrix because they are code, you accept that giant fly beasts exist in the matrix...because they are code. Nothing more just programs with a coded function nothing magic or mystic about those....but you make an exception for the oracle, a coded function of the system (confirmed by the creator of the matrix himself) to precipitate hope in a "false"* prophecy among those who reject the simulation to keep them busy. By mere chance the malfunction of an agent turned exile she  was able to find "completion" in her perceived function,   she had no more freewill than the architect or even ultimately "the one".



*the one would certainly show up each cycle but this was calculated on and ultimately the one would either return to the source or die with the rest of zion there was no real hope that the prophecy could prevail.

(until the malfunction...maybe you guys should worship smith instead ultimately he's the one responsible for your freedom)))

((I don't see where anyone has claimed as of late that the Oracle has some kind of mystical power or that she is somehow beyond the control of the universe. Only that she had her own motives thanks to her programing (which Cervacius kindly showed an example of as well as her "To unbalance it" quote) about how things should go. Her ability to predict the future is explained by the Architect in that she is a intuitive program created to study the human psyche. Thus she was able to determine the outcome of events and plan on how to turn them in her favor which is exactly what she did in the case of Smith. She saw the problem and took a gamble on how to fix it manipulating people into the places they needed to be.

And again, what was it that made Smith malfunction? You say its chance but doesn't that go against your own argument about there being nothing mystical or without reason when it comes to code? Smith wasn't above causality was he so what was the cause that created his effect?))

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Some like the Oracle some don't. It normal that our organizations have different opinions about her. End of story...

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

*mockingly wipes her brow* phewww, didnt want people thinking i was nice now.

I have to admit it was most entertaining seeing all you cave dwellers looking so desperate, lost, hopeless, sad...... the list goes on and on and on and on. 

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Omega0 wrote:

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

*mockingly wipes her brow* phewww, didnt want people thinking i was nice now.

I have to admit it was most entertaining seeing all you cave dwellers looking so desperate, lost, hopeless, sad...... the list goes on and on and on and on. 

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Criingey wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

*mockingly wipes her brow* phewww, didnt want people thinking i was nice now.

I have to admit it was most entertaining seeing all you cave dwellers looking so desperate, lost, hopeless, sad...... the list goes on and on and on and on. 

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Major fail detected. Cave dwellers eh? weren't you like Zion only last month? oh yea i forgot org hopping ftl. Oh and that whole Zion on its knees Charade. I was under the impression that, that is how people such as yourself got into the Merv org, on your knees well.... so i have heard.

Persephone: "She wasn't kissing your face, my love."

The Merv is always looking for new... recruits.

sonofthree wrote:

((Its computer code, there is nothing mystical about it. You accept that werewolves exists in the matrix because they are code, you accept that vampires exist in the matrix because they are code, you accept that giant fly beasts exist in the matrix...because they are code. Nothing more just programs with a coded function nothing magic or mystic about those....but you make an exception for the oracle, a coded function of the system (confirmed by the creator of the matrix himself) to precipitate hope in a "false"* prophecy among those who reject the simulation to keep them busy. By mere chance the malfunction of an agent turned exile she  was able to find "completion" in her perceived function,   she had no more freewill than the architect or even ultimately "the one".



*the one would certainly show up each cycle but this was calculated on and ultimately the one would either return to the source or die with the rest of zion there was no real hope that the prophecy could prevail.

(until the malfunction...maybe you guys should worship smith instead ultimately he's the one responsible for your freedom)))

((I don't see where anyone has claimed as of late that the Oracle has some kind of mystical power or that she is somehow beyond the control of the universe. Only that she had her own motives thanks to her programing (which Cervacius kindly showed an example of as well as her "To unbalance it" quote) about how things should go. Her ability to predict the future is explained by the Architect in that she is a intuitive program created to study the human psyche. Thus she was able to determine the outcome of events and plan on how to turn them in her favor which is exactly what she did in the case of Smith. She saw the problem and took a gamble on how to fix it manipulating people into the places they needed to be.

And again, what was it that made Smith malfunction? You say its chance but doesn't that go against your own argument about there being nothing mystical or without reason when it comes to code? Smith wasn't above causality was he so what was the cause that created his effect?))

((I'm referring the the whole prophecy business and "teh on3" when I speak of mysticism in relation to the oracle. And I have my own theories on "the one" being a program and not a person at all, "the anomaly" which Neo was *is* a person (as explained by the architect), ("the one" being a way to force "the anomaly" to feel obligated  to return to the source; being as we now know that programs can enter the human mind) The program our two wire frame friends are looking for pretty much tell me  Ive been on the right track in that sense. (Im sorry if this is confusing its hard to put into words and is just a hypothosis and I don't represent it as absolute truth..yet)

  The Oracle told Neo to return to the source, in fact I think she told him he must or zion would fall. She was manipulating him towards "the ones" function not against it.  Smith is not a human nor is there any proof that she had anything to do with his malfunction, mere speculation without proof. In fact I think smith said he disobeyed because he couldn't contemplate his deletion, or that something  over wrote his code that came from neo. He also talks about taking his "purpose" from him.  (which gets back to my little idea about  our wire framed friends but thats another thread.) Its hard to determine what everything that happened  in the movies truly meant there are 3 or 4 (Wachoskies and to a lesser extent Chadwick and Rarebit) people who really know the plan for this place but time and again they have shown us that no one in the universe is innocent or "good"" width="15" height="15" />)

((An interesting hypothesis, one that I disagree with in a few spots but my own ideas are hardly any more concrete then your own.

The Oracle points Neo towards the source and tells him that's where he must go, yes. But she never says that if he doesn't then Zion would fall. In fact the condition is that he must decided if Trinity lives or dies and that choice will result in Zion's salvation or destruction. So yes she does send Neo to do what he was supposed to do but she gives him with a little extra push. She sends Neo to the source but not to save the world but to make a choice about Trinity which then could save Zion.

And I bring Smith up because you mentioned that we have him to thank for the break in the chain, which is true we do and he is just as much responsible for ending the cycle as Neo and the Oracle were. Just with Neo we know who was pulling and pushing him into place and we know why the Oracle did what she did. Smith however remains unaccounted for and is still left unknown.

Criingey wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

*mockingly wipes her brow* phewww, didnt want people thinking i was nice now.

I have to admit it was most entertaining seeing all you cave dwellers looking so desperate, lost, hopeless, sad...... the list goes on and on and on and on. 

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Major fail detected. Cave dwellers eh? weren't you like Zion only last month? oh yea i forgot org hopping ftl. Oh and that whole Zion on its knees Charade. I was under the impression that, that is how people such as yourself got into the Merv org, on your knees well.... so i have heard.

*laughs*

Well i cant say i actually know you... no matter you made me giggle.  Its very flattering to know people notice me.  Ooh and no.. i dont need to use those talents to work my way anywhere..

Criingey wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Criingey wrote:

vynn_drasan wrote:

oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 

Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

*mockingly wipes her brow* phewww, didnt want people thinking i was nice now.

I have to admit it was most entertaining seeing all you cave dwellers looking so desperate, lost, hopeless, sad...... the list goes on and on and on and on. 

Oh and i must applaud the fact that you have managed to drive the only person presenting any will to fight away from you and turn him machine *claps*.

ZION officially an organisation on its knees

Major fail detected. Cave dwellers eh? weren't you like Zion only last month? oh yea i forgot org hopping ftl. Oh and that whole Zion on its knees Charade. I was under the impression that, that is how people such as yourself got into the Merv org, on your knees well.... so i have heard.

lol no name? sorry! MUST HANG AROUND SYNTAX CAREBEAR LAND MOAR

RoganClark is not a no-name.  He's from Vector.  This might be hard for you to understand, but some people know what's going on in more than one server.

And Criinge, you do know that the screenshots from the Vixens/Section 9 Sexy Party were posted in the Player Events thread (the one for all three servers), right?  It's not hard to notice that you org-hopped, and there's no reason for you to be flattered.

As far as I'm aware Section 9 played a neutral faction... at least up until their affiliation with the Merv.

Vinia wrote:

As far as I'm aware Section 9 played a neutral faction... at least up until their affiliation with the Merv.

We formed as Merv, then we went Independant as the Merv went against our beliefs and then some people couldn't grasp the fact we were independant faction with Merv rep (as per the games mechanics), so we thought 'bugger it' and we all grinded our Merv rep to Zion and since have gained good ties *with* Zion.  ('With' being the key word)

Yeah, we are Zion Aligned though none of our members PVP while IC

But we have gone a little off topic here, back to the old birds funeral ^^

We all know the programs inability to stay dead (Agent Pace and Agent Gray are two that have gotten huge slaps and come back fine soon after) so I think the funeral was a little hastey.

RoganClark is not a no-name.  He's from Vector.  This might be hard for you to understand, but some people know what's going on in more than one server.

And Criinge, you do know that the screenshots from the Vixens/Section 9 Sexy Party were posted in the Player Events thread (the one for all three servers), right?  It's not hard to notice that you org-hopped, and there's no reason for you to be flattered.