Which would you recommend?

24 posts · 2008-03-28 09:58:29 to 2008-04-13 10:26:37

#36300432989 03/28/2008 09:58:29 Which would you recommend?
I'm getting a new computer for my birthday and I want it to play most MMOs (MxO) without lagg whenever possible, as well as the best security so for all those net heads, could you give me a hand?
#36300433083 03/28/2008 12:13:14 Re:Which would you recommend?

I can't tell you what to go for, but as someone who is also looking for a computer at the moment I can tell you what not to go for.

  1. Vista - it's a definate no-no. Don't go near it with a barge pole I can honestly say I'd go for Windows ME over Vista
  2. nVidea 8xxx series - Not had one in my recent time yet but as you can see from tech stickies there has been problems with it

Those 3 are probably going to be the major 3 things to not to go for especially for MxO. Dell computers generally are not going to affect MxO but *CENSORED* I hate them, my last Dell basically lasted about 3 months. They swapped it after having to repair it twice and the swapped one then died again so I don't trust Dell.

Things you will need to look for is this

  1. Minimum of 2Gig ram, and that is minimum to be playing the latest games
  2. 256MB of VRam again this is an absolute minimum, you should be looking for about 512MB preferably.
  3. Processor should be going into Dual core or Quad core, most computer manufacturers use those nowadays anyway.
  4. 500GB Hard drive space preferably.

Most other things will come as standard with most computer manufacturers but again I can't really say which ones to go for generally because after my Dell fiasco I make my own (although if you do make your own as well please make sure that the heat sensor works otherwise the computer will set fire).

#36300433093 03/28/2008 12:21:12 Which would you recommend?
Get a good internet connection SMILEY
#36300433133 03/28/2008 13:39:33 Re:Which would you recommend?

Cheers Den...


And thanks Tonic..O_o

#36300433136 03/28/2008 13:44:07 Re:Which would you recommend?

I'm getting a computer thats specifically for gaming and I was wondering if I could ask them if it comes with a different graphics card and program (Instead of Vista, something else (Recommend anything anyone?) at the shop?

#36300433138 03/28/2008 13:49:13 Re:Which would you recommend?
I have Vista 64 bit and have had no problems with any of the games I play including MXO. Alot of ppl will tell you to stick with XP, but personally I like Vista. If you get Vista you'll need at least 2 GB of RAM, and a good GPU. I recommend ATI GPU's. They provide great support. Get at least a 3 GHZ processor. I recommend AMD Athlon series over Intel, but it's really preference. 
#36300433143 03/28/2008 14:11:39 Re:Which would you recommend?

Well if anyone doesn't lag with theirs, I'd like to know the prices and which ones they bought, because I'm not very computer minded :O

#36300433164 03/28/2008 15:11:16 Re:Which would you recommend?
Panderai wrote:

Well if anyone doesn't lag with theirs, I'd like to know the prices and which ones they bought, because I'm not very computer minded :O

Your best bet is to build your own PC. Its cheaper and you always get what you want. I have always used windows xp. And also have ALWAYS used an ATI graphics cards. Never had issues with them.

I always build my PC, as itl last much longer than any shop bought model. I paid about £500 for my PC components...roughly..maybe a bit more..but its lasted me the last year and a half and the only thing ive changed is the Processor as I have a single core 2ghz. (which im in process or changing) though I still dont lag with it.


#36300433177 03/28/2008 15:54:47 Re:Which would you recommend?
Thanks for your advice. I can't build a pc, but I'll see if anyone I know I can. Thanks.SMILEY
#36300433186 03/28/2008 16:07:35 Re:Which would you recommend?

I honestly would recommend building your own, there are a lot of websites to help you

http://www.build-your-own-computers.com/

http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/

http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/

These were the first 3 I found by google, lots of websites out there and once you build one computer it becomes surprisingly simple, also you know exactly whats in the computer so you know whats capable and in the end it saves in time and frustration.

#36300433472 03/29/2008 10:27:50 Re:Which would you recommend?
Panderai wrote:
Thanks for your advice. I can't build a pc, but I'll see if anyone I know I can. Thanks.SMILEY" />
Its easier than you think. Its like a jigsaw. SMILEY
#36300433644 03/29/2008 19:53:19 Re:Which would you recommend?
To run MxO:
  • 2GB RAM
  • Win XP
  • 2x 10,000 RPM SATA HDDs (1 for windows the other has MxO) go for 256GB if you plan to record your gameplay with FRAPS
  • Either an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 or better, or an Intel core 2 Quad Extreme
  • ATI Video card
  • FAST internet (8Mbit or more downstream with minimum 1.5Mbit to 2Mbit upstream)
  • A good audio card will increase FPS and just make things sound awesome. I recommend the Soundblaster X-Fi range.
  • Logitech G11 Keyboard or better (use thos scriptable buttons for commands like; /sit, /removewaypoint Door, /removewaypoint "Luggable Detected", /tiphat /tc, /fc, /say, etc...)
  • A LIGHT and precise (high sample rate) mouse (more for 1st person shooters, but good in general. Microsoft Intellimouse's are good but tend to have the cables break. Logitech are also very good. Make sure you have a good mousing surface too... fUnc Industries make hi-glide teflon pads that are brilliant. http://www.func.net
  • A good motherboard. Preferably with good north and south bridge passive cooling and smart overclocking. The Asus Strike Extreme is terrific.
for other games there is no real problems with the above system, even if you upgrade XP to Vista and get a top-end nVidia card (their dual cards are terrific, I use a 7950GX2 and it has never given me any trouble, pitty they weren't very popular and are hard to find these days.) If you want a good nVidia Card I recommend Albatron (www.albatron.com.tw) or Asus.

The only real thing to avoid:
  • 8xxx series nVidia cards with Windows XP ... brace for lag.
  • Vista has some graphical issues with MxO: texture problems, blank screenshots with AntiAliasing turned on, Character models have incorrect face shading.
Don't fall into the trap of "vista is evil" ... it's up there with the "Mac vs Wintel vs Linux" arguments. If you really want Vista you can always dual-boot your system. It only matters that the machine you use does what you need it to, in a fast and user friendly manner, for a price that you find acceptable.

If you will get more use out of a Mac in day-to-day life then run MxO via bootcamp, otherwise I strongly recommend XP.
phiAU - The Kings of Never - noblesse oblige
#36300434265 03/31/2008 15:28:13 Re:Which would you recommend?

These are all good specs, but if we are speaking in general terms, I will add a few more things I've discovered in recent weeks:

If you're looking at Vista, it is a performance drain, and there are some issues, but MxO has really been the worst I've encountered--other games (including MMOs) have been running just fine in this OS.

If you're wanting to stick with XP, take the leap and go to XP x64 Edition.  Seriously, it's been the best performer among all my machines, and I still love how well it handles MxO (with twin 7950GTs, mind you).

The thing about it is, like other OSes that have come out in the past, Vista is just a bit ahead of its time:  you really want to exceed the recommended specifications on Vista if you're going to get anywhere as a gamer.  I've discovered that even a minimal quad-core does better than a dual-core because Vista is capable of multithreading pretty well (credit where credit is due).  Memory has been the biggest gripe Vista has given me:  the amount is important, but so is the speed:  PC3200 gets cranky on me.  Hard-drive speed is the third area of complaint:  below 7,200RPM, 3.0GB/s SATA2, and 16MB cache, you have a problem with Vista's happiness level (the "Windows Experience Index"SMILEY.

Here's the big thing that surprised me about Vista:  the newer stuff seems to work better.  I know some of you are thinking, "Duh!  New technology!" but then think about how much better, say, Quake II or Half-Life ran when you first got it off of Win98 and into XP.  I have a desktop now that runs Crysis in an amazing, overwhelming level of clarity and detail, at 1380x768.  This same machine runs Halo 1 at slide-show framerates and randomly freezes.

#36300434271 03/31/2008 15:32:33 Re:Which would you recommend?
I just got my War Machine M1 Elite a few weeks ago, and I'll never go back.  Customer support is awesome (they upgraded my video cards for free, just because they had some leftovers), it's very neat inside, and the product itself is phenomenal.
#36300441054 04/12/2008 07:42:02 Which would you recommend?
Well guys I have two quotes. One from PC World and the other from Creative Computing.

I'd like to know what you think.

PC World:

HP Pavilion A6332 + 20" Widescreen TFT Monitor

£629.99

AMD Phenom 9500 Quad Core Processor
(2.2 GHz, 3600MhZ FSB, 2MB Cache)
3GB memory
320GB Hard Drive
DVD Writer with LightScribe Technology
ATI Saphire (Can buy for £179.99 and they'll put it in)
15-In-1 Card Reader
6 USB Connections
20" AOC Widescreen TFT

Note; They install Vista, but said someone can just downgrade (or upgrade SMILEY) to XP for me.

So £809.98 for that.

This is the Creative Computing Quote.

Black Estar BENZ 8870 Midi Tower case
1355111 BX80750E8200 Intel core 2 duo E800 2.66 GHz
1333Mhz LGA775 6MB Retail
Assus mother board P5K LGA775 Intel ICH9R
GEIL 2GB DDR2 800 CL4.0 DUAL CHANNEL MOA retail
Seagate SATA 250Gb.10 ST3250820AS
Saphire XI950 XTX 256mb Graphics card PCIe
Liteon x20 retail kit DVD Writer
Samsung 19" TFT 932BF
Trust Gaming mouse and headset bundle Gamer Pack Advanced GM-6400
Multimedia KB-1150
Microsoft Windows XP Home
McAfee Virus Scan 2008 - OEM
Creative Arena Computer System..

Hopefully I didn't type that out for nothing..

So..views?
#36300441055 04/12/2008 07:42:34 Which would you recommend?
Also, I can get the 2GB upgraded to 3GB easily but how much would it cost?
#36300441089 04/12/2008 09:36:49 Re:Which would you recommend?
I seem to run games fine with my Compaq computer and I had it over a year so far with no problems.  it has a AMD Athlon 64 processor, PC3500, 2Ghz cpu, 2 gig RAM,windows XP, nvidia 7600 GS graphic card with 512 RAM(PCI-express) and 8MB internet connection. I run everything in highest detail  I don't lag with MXO or Half-life2 but when I play Bioshock I got to turn my details down to low  lol  other then that i'm running good with my setup and it didn't cost that much, you might find a good deal on Ebay. if I would ever get a new computer I would get a duel-core.   happy hunting!SMILEY
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#36300441294 04/12/2008 20:46:51 Re:Which would you recommend?
If you really cant/dont want to build your own and want a decent gaming machine check out

http://www.dell.com/xps
http://www.gateway.com/systems/seri...s/529598059.php
or if you want something more expansive go for Alienware
http://www.alienware.com/product_pa...ll_default.aspx


Those are all good brands but I honestly recommend building your own. There are so many reasons to do so.

#36300441350 04/13/2008 02:21:23 Which would you recommend?
I would build the computer myself, but truthfully I don't have the time to do so (sigh) and these two quotes (top of the page) are the final two products that I'm going to choose from. So I'd like to know what you guys think..
#36300441352 04/13/2008 02:26:19 Re:Which would you recommend?
Vtech01 wrote:
If you really cant/dont want to build your own and want a decent gaming machine check out

http://www.dell.com/xps
http://www.gateway.com/systems/seri...s/529598059.php
or if you want something more expansive go for Alienware
http://www.alienware.com/product_pa...ll_default.aspx


Those are all good brands but I honestly recommend building your own. There are so many reasons to do so.


Dell is not a good brand and thats coming from experience, if you want a computer that works for more than a year then don't buy from Dell. Same with Alienware which is just a subsidiary of Dell.

Also out of the choices that you presented I'd go for the second. Even though I'm not an AMD fan a lot of users are satisfied with it and it looks to be the most powerful computer out of the bunch.

Also I'm not sure about if you would need 3GB but if you did want to upgrade then the prices range from as little as about £10 to about £60-70 It's preferance of where you want to buy it really but make sure you get the correct type of RAM memory (usually DDR2 nowadays)

#36300441356 04/13/2008 03:06:04 Which would you recommend?
Thanks Denary, but the AMD is the first choice, not the second, so what one do you mean?SMILEY
#36300441432 04/13/2008 08:48:25 Re:Which would you recommend?
Sorry meant the first one then SMILEY and do make sure you get XP installed on it!
#36300441466 04/13/2008 10:26:37 Which would you recommend?
Thanks. My other mate said Vista is stubborn to remove..SMILEY

But thanks.