[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

#36300404380 02/11/2008 19:35:24 [9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Priority advisory to all operatives:

The Morpheus simulacrum is wanted for suspected involvement in a terrorist conspiracy. Subject has already resisted arrest and fled from officers. Report any sighting immediately.

Agent Pace
System Liaison

#36300404384 02/11/2008 19:38:23 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Hmm...pathetic effort by Pace there. Is the sim reverting to its previous programming?

((Or are its purposes more...human?))

#36300404392 02/11/2008 19:47:31 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

So what were all those Runtimes doing in one of the buildings in Gracy? o.O

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#36300404396 02/11/2008 19:53:15 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

I knew it was a bad idea to let that thing roam loose.

#36300404397 02/11/2008 19:53:19 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

The initial meeting with Pace was split into 4 teams of two... each team investigated a location. 3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators which had to be eliminated.. the other team found Morpheus Sim.

The Patch v. 1.2 | The Guide

#36300404401 02/11/2008 19:56:44 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Even more surprising than the sim behaving stragnely, Did Pace curse? Has she done that before?

That might mean whatever the sim is up to, it's big.

#36300404414 02/11/2008 20:15:29 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

hmm guessing agents paces new way of questioning is shoot now ask later heh still i wonder what morpheus is up to as well

#36300404422 02/11/2008 20:35:15 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

"A tablet from one Mycenaean citadel says, "'The watchers are guarding the coast.' But guards could not save Mycenaean civilization from destruction.""

Interesting.

#36300404427 02/11/2008 20:44:18 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Bayamos wrote:

3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators

Not quite.

#36300404431 02/11/2008 20:49:37 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Darn, that looked fun...was gonna be my first mech event as well, but instead i got the bench in camon c wondering where everyone else was going

Ah well maybe next time....at least now i have some idea as to what Pace was going on about at the end.

#36300404432 02/11/2008 20:50:05 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

'You're under arrest!'?

I laughed out loud. That's not *CENSORED* at all.

~V

#36300404444 02/11/2008 21:10:26 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can't survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?

#36300404532 02/12/2008 01:03:51 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Rarebit wrote:

Bayamos wrote:
3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators
Not quite.

wha? I know we encountered a runtime and accelerators that were corrupting machine programs which were attacking us. Not exactly sure what the other teams encountered then.

#36300404557 02/12/2008 02:08:19 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Shadow-SK wrote:

"A tablet from one Mycenaean citadel says, "'The watchers are guarding the coast.' But guards could not save Mycenaean civilization from destruction.""

Interesting.

Mhm ... but in any case, what those "terroristic" activities are, we don't know. Trust is inessential, doubt is of the essence.

- GG

#36300404567 02/12/2008 02:35:32 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

I don't think shooting at the Morpheus sim will get him to talk.

#36300404636 02/12/2008 05:20:54 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Exactly. Be it human, exile, or other, they want to kill the offending entity, and try to talk to it and convince it to play nice if that doesn't work.

"communicating with several powerful Exiles" seems more like an excuse to remove someone in the name of fighting terror than any real cause for arrest. How is that an "anti-System" action? Where the hell is the "evidence" that suggest this as she proclaims?

#36300404689 02/12/2008 06:39:01 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

It was made in the image of the most notorious terrorist of our time - any suspicious activity is grounds for questioning. Resisting arrest - and a chance to justify itself - is grounds for what comes next.

Though, we should have just deleted it months ago along with the rest of the General's systems.

#36300404690 02/12/2008 06:39:05 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Poor Pace,can't do anything right!!!

TonyJaa

#36300404703 02/12/2008 06:54:39 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Pace is being daft, but I want to see that simulacrum dead. I'm fed up with all these sims.

Nothing but trouble.

#36300404712 02/12/2008 07:18:48 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

"It was made in the image of the most notorious terrorist of our time - any suspicious activity is grounds for questioning. Resisting arrest - and a chance to justify itself - is grounds for what comes next."

Err oh yeah...... errr........The man who located and inspired Neo, the chosen instrument of the oracle, the man whose actions provided machines and mankind it's only Peace for hundreds of years, a peace the Machines failed to recognise as a way to break a redundant and aimless dead loop, the same Machines who actually worked against that peace from moment one via the covert sponsorship of the Cypherites and who later arbitrarily decided to end said peace in favour of the much better alternative of making no progress on any issue whatsoever, the same machines whose only known response to dealing with abberations they can't comprehend is extermination, those machines that hunt down and kill their own kind whenever they wander outside their strictly defined parameters....oh yeah that notorious terrorist......can't figure out why this sim wouldn't just surrender himself for questioning.......

#36300404714 02/12/2008 07:22:59 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Morpheus used code bombs to destabilize the system and awaken those that were not ready for reality. He endangered every single bluepill's life in exchange for his demands - if that isn't terrorism, nothing is.

If the sim wanted to distance itself from that identity, it would have answered our questions.

#36300404716 02/12/2008 07:26:51 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Well... if the sim looks and acts so much like him, how do you know that the "Morpheus" that dropped those code bombs was in fact the man and not the simulacrum thereof?

I will point out that the same entity that created the so-called simulacrum did conspicuously come on the scene the moment "Morpheus" showed up and went on a rampage.

#36300404717 02/12/2008 07:29:18 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Then that's all the more reason for this thing to have spoken up - and all the more reason for it to be destroyed.

#36300404718 02/12/2008 07:31:48 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

...then as a Machinist, I would question the Agents as to why he wasn't destroyed in the first place.

#36300404720 02/12/2008 07:34:02 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Agreed. I suppose they saw fit to give it a chance to exist. And it flaunted that freedom, refusing to cooperate and explain itself.

#36300404722 02/12/2008 07:35:53 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

No good deed goes unpunished eh?

Of course maybe even the actions of Morpheus were just a reaction to the suggestion he had been a machine stooge all along. A Sim dropping code bombs might even develop a conscience.

Still lets us all applaud that invincible policy that exterminates anything that is not understood or anything that can be percieved as being different or its summary "all evolution is evil"......history has so assuredly convinced us of the wisdom in that regard.

#36300404724 02/12/2008 07:38:06 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

It had a chance to make itself understood - it was wanted for questioning, not termination. Rather than explain itself, it chose to flee - it has something to hide.

#36300404735 02/12/2008 08:18:44 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

kou_urake wrote:

It had a chance to make itself understood - it was wanted for questioning, not termination. Rather than explain itself, it chose to flee - it has something to hide.

No it fled because Pace got her gun out, and you have to flee when that happens!

#36300404739 02/12/2008 08:24:12 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

She ordered him to halt. He refused. She drew her weapon accordingly.

#36300404812 02/12/2008 10:09:56 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Ebola wrote:

So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can't survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?

If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo's remains.

I'm just saying, that's all.

#36300404817 02/12/2008 10:15:34 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Reeverb wrote:

Ebola wrote:
So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can't survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?
If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo's remains.
I'm just saying, that's all.

Yep. And we've seen plenty of cases of exiles trying to destroy the system: General, Smith, The Assassin...

#36300404826 02/12/2008 10:29:28 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Hm...? So Morpho-bot is under arrest for speaking to dangerous and powerful Exiles?

Don't we do this every day? Don't you Machinists collect and trade code to benefit Exiles? Don't you Machinists run errands for Exiles?

Pace, I believe we must arrest every single human operative for..."further questioning."

#36300404829 02/12/2008 10:32:59 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

All about probable cause - this is a sim created by The General of Morpheus - two people who made serious attempts to do harm to the system. Not quite the same situation as loyal operatives.

#36300404831 02/12/2008 10:35:02 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

kou_urake wrote:

All about probable cause - this is a sim created by The General of Morpheus - two people who made serious attempts to do harm to the system. Not quite the same situation as loyal operatives.

This is the sim that gave up Zion's mainframe code.

#36300404833 02/12/2008 10:35:16 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Teach a new dog new tricks, but yet he still acts on his old tricks?...

Oh and if all you are an "Assumer" don't think for a second that I called the god of Dreams a dog. I have much more respect than that.

- E

#36300404853 02/12/2008 11:10:56 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Err oh yeah...... errr........The man who located and inspired Neo, the chosen instrument of the oracle, the man whose actions provided machines and mankind it's only Peace for hundreds of years,

The Oracle didn't choose him... the machines did. She just knew what he was.

#36300404870 02/12/2008 11:47:49 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

imax wrote:

Tytanya_MxO wrote:
Err oh yeah...... errr........The man who located and inspired Neo, the chosen instrument of the oracle, the man whose actions provided machines and mankind it's only Peace for hundreds of years,

The Oracle didn't choose him... the machines did. She just knew what he was.

I personally think that the Simulation in its programming chose the suitable candidate for the carrier of the anomalous code, the Machines knew it would happen and almost when, and the Oracle, being a program, recognised the code.

Morpheus is a program, a simulation of the original who is dead. He was given incomplete memories and other aspects of the original by the General. The point is he is not the man people wish him to be but he still showed ability to emulate the original and as such can be as dangerous. He was instructed not to speak to those with agenda against the system, he did not comply and was therefore he was to be arrested. Arrested just means taken into custody not a sentence of death. He chose not to come quietly and explain his actions. So Pace attempted to take him by force. A poor decision? Possibly, but it depends on what she has been instructed by the system.

There is no evidence that Pace was going for the kill, If I can get someone to hold still by shooting a leg then Pace would be much better at it. It would not be efficient to kill him when trying to find out answers.

#36300404875 02/12/2008 11:55:52 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

imax wrote:

Rarebit wrote:
Bayamos wrote:
3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators
Not quite.

wha? I know we encountered a runtime and accelerators that were corrupting machine programs which were attacking us. Not exactly sure what the other teams encountered then.

They were decelerators, at least the one in Gracy was. Not sure about the others, but maybe that's what he meant.

#36300404936 02/12/2008 13:01:14 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Archangel wrote:

imax wrote:
Rarebit wrote:
Bayamos wrote:
3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators
Not quite.

wha? I know we encountered a runtime and accelerators that were corrupting machine programs which were attacking us. Not exactly sure what the other teams encountered then.
They were decelerators, at least the one in Gracy was. Not sure about the others, but maybe that's what he meant.

ah yea, I got confused because we were fighting "Accelerated Machine programs"

#36300404962 02/12/2008 13:38:12 [9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

((If anyone cares....she did open fire and fired twice at him while he stood there and took both hits before running.))

#36300405029 02/12/2008 14:23:59 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

kou_urake wrote:

Yep. And we've seen plenty of cases of exiles trying to destroy the system: General, Smith, The Assassin...

Well, the urge to destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive system (e.g. country). It's not like the Machines are happy about programs gaining their own will, which means that they have no means of mind-control and immediate unquestioned deletion. Usually programms gain their own will by find their purpose on their own by recognizing the errors in the system they live in.

I guess, if we wanted to destroy the Exiles, the easiest way would be to destroy the system that creates it, the Machines.

Oh wait, that sounds familiar. Isn't that the same way the Machines deal with Zion and their mishappenings? Ironic, isn't it?

- GG

#36300405113 02/12/2008 16:32:21 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Well, the urge to destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive system (e.g. country). It's not like the Machines are happy about programs gaining their own will, which means that they have no means of mind-control and immediate unquestioned deletion. Usually programms gain their own will by find their purpose on their own by recognizing the errors in the system they live in.

Programs have their own will anyway, it is AI, but they have a different way of life to us, many quite happily return to the source when they become outdated or the simulation would probably be overflowing with Exiles, it is just the way their society works. The Machines aren't pursuing these programs because they have free will, they are doing it because they are not following the principles of Program/Machine culture. You cannot base their culture on ours. For every Exile you see there are most likely hundreds, probably thousands, of programs living through their runtime following the rules of their culture.

#36300405125 02/12/2008 16:51:19 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Indeed. Only 1% of mankind rejects the System. The System would not work if more than a similarly small percentage of programs were not working as intended. Not all exiles are marked for deletion, nor are all redpills to be killed. Only those that choose to do harm to the System are punished.

#36300405197 02/12/2008 18:19:49 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

I wonder what it was that took Pace aback for a second on that rooftop. . .

Hmm, as if she recognized something. . .or was surprised to find what she did.

Hmm, well, maybe she was just surprised to see that he hadn't escaped yet.

#36300405320 02/12/2008 23:44:39 [9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

I really wanted to be there. Is there a certain time that live events take place?

#36300405359 02/13/2008 03:26:39 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Vinia wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Well, the urge to destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive system (e.g. country). It's not like the Machines are happy about programs gaining their own will, which means that they have no means of mind-control and immediate unquestioned deletion. Usually programms gain their own will by find their purpose on their own by recognizing the errors in the system they live in.
Programs have their own will anyway, it is AI, but they have a different way of life to us, many quite happily return to the source when they become outdated or the simulation would probably be overflowing with Exiles, it is just the way their society works. The Machines aren't pursuing these programs because they have free will, they are doing it because they are not following the principles of Program/Machine culture. You cannot base their culture on ours. For every Exile you see there are most likely hundreds, probably thousands, of programs living through their runtime following the rules of their culture.

*sighs* Ah well. The reason why it is an oppressive system, much like the Matrix, is because it does not accept fallouts. As soon as a program decides things on it's own against the decision of the System, it is unlikely that that program will be allowed to continue much further (Options: Repgrogramming (mindwashing), deletion, exile). "Against the decision of the System" does not imply that the decision made by the program is harmful to the System.

You are right in saying that most programs go peacefully, it's also true that the Matrix wouldn't be able to hold the onflood of Exiles, well no, the only thing that the Machines wouldn't be able to hold is the mixing between the Blues and Exiles, which would inevitably happen if there were to be more Exiles.

Also, Starschwar, the reason why some Exiles and Redpills are not targeted is because they do not pose intermediate danger. But these certainly are on the target-list of the Machines, you can bet on it.

Edit: On another note:

The System is a "Überwachungs-" and "Präventivstaat". Though it works perfectly in theory (much like Communism), it does infringe one major need for any intelligent being, which is also the reason why it ultimately fails: Personal freedom.

It may work on the largest population, which give no thought over that kind of system, it is because of brainwashing that begins with the birth and ends with the death.

Right now, the System is such, as well as the Matrix.

- GG

#36300405391 02/13/2008 05:34:36 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Presumably Cryptos was just arrested at some point in his life, nope he wasn't killed he was benevolently made into the very thing he spent his whole life resisting (actually a fate worse than death for any comitted human)..... and yes any discussion is kinda mute if Pace shot first (...unless you are reading the George Lucas special edition of course?)

#36300405622 02/13/2008 12:27:27 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Looked like a decent event, wish the decision of what a player can experience content wise wasn't being left up to other players.

#36300405626 02/13/2008 12:33:46 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Reeverb wrote:

Ebola wrote:
So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can't survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?
If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo's remains.
I'm just saying, that's all.

You must have forgoten that this is the same Sim that gave Cryptos the key for us and the Machine's being able to kill many Zion Operatives.... I don't call that being loyal to Zion.

#36300405636 02/13/2008 13:07:33 Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08

Reeverb wrote:

Ebola wrote:
So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can't survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?
If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo's remains.
I'm just saying, that's all.

No he wouldn't. He wants to free humanity, not end it. Look beneath the surface. Geez, how did you cyphs ever qualify as inutitive enough to be extracted?! Probably didn't which is why you want to go back.

ThePigeonKing wrote:

Hm...? So Morpho-bot is under arrest for speaking to dangerous and powerful Exiles?

Don't we do this every day? Don't you Machinists collect and trade code to benefit Exiles? Don't you Machinists run errands for Exiles?

Pace, I believe we must arrest every single human operative for..."further questioning."

Catch me if you can.

((I hope this goes somewhere.))