[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

96 posts · 2008-02-06 19:15:12 to 2008-02-11 08:43:01

#36300401530 02/07/2008 07:56:09 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
kou_urake wrote:
(( The Morpheus sim's vest is black, the original's was purple... and I can't tell which one the one in this event was wearing...)

((It looked black to me...))
#36300401531 02/07/2008 07:56:21 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
kou_urake wrote:
(( The Morpheus sim's vest is black, the original's was purple... and I can't tell which one the one in this event was wearing...)



*shrug*
#36300401534 02/07/2008 08:02:55 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
odj wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
(( The Morpheus sim's vest is black, the original's was purple... and I can't tell which one the one in this event was wearing...)



*shrug*
compare to original if anyone has... I sure don't... I miss 99% of all live events ever since beta...
#36300401536 02/07/2008 08:09:00 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
The Leo wrote:
odj wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
(( The Morpheus sim's vest is black, the original's was purple... and I can't tell which one the one in this event was wearing...)



*shrug*
compare to original if anyone has... I sure don't... I miss 99% of all live events ever since beta...

#36300401571 02/07/2008 08:35:04 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
...
#36300401584 02/07/2008 08:41:47 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

/handsMorpheusTheHelm

/e salutes Morpheus

#36300401587 02/07/2008 08:43:29 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
((Yeah, its black)
#36300401602 02/07/2008 08:52:15 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
kou_urake wrote:
((Yeah, its black)
I still can't tell. Too dark compared to the light cinematic and lightening the pic doesn't change the color since it was dark from ingame.
#36300401606 02/07/2008 08:54:45 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
The Leo wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Yeah, its black)
I still can't tell. Too dark compared to the light cinematic and lightening the pic doesn't change the color since it was dark from ingame.
I was gonna say that, but I wasn't sure if it would make a difference.
#36300401609 02/07/2008 08:55:58 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Gerik wrote:
The Leo wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Yeah, its black)
I still can't tell. Too dark compared to the light cinematic and lightening the pic doesn't change the color since it was dark from ingame.
I was gonna say that, but I wasn't sure if it would make a difference.


 

Keanu : "Napoleon was a short dead dude" (so is the real Morpheus)

#36300401633 02/07/2008 09:16:56 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
0uranos wrote:
Gerik wrote:
The Leo wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Yeah, its black)
I still can't tell. Too dark compared to the light cinematic and lightening the pic doesn't change the color since it was dark from ingame.
I was gonna say that, but I wasn't sure if it would make a difference.


 

Keanu : "Napoleon was a short dead dude" (so is the real Morpheus)

Morpheus wasn't short so by that analogy he is definitely not dead...
#36300401659 02/07/2008 09:48:57 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
The Leo wrote:
0uranos wrote:
Keanu : "Napoleon was a short dead dude" (so is the real Morpheus)
Morpheus wasn't short so by that analogy he is definitely not dead...
In that case 0uranos is half right. He may not be short... but he's almost definitely dead, in the same way that Napoleon is almost definitely dead. If they bring back the real Morpheus after all this time, then they have to bring back Napoleon... I'd rather they didn't. Keep the legend alive, let the man rest in peace.
#36300401671 02/07/2008 09:59:04 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
He must be after the Seraphim shoes
 

#36300401684 02/07/2008 10:08:39 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
RoganClark wrote:
He must be after the Seraphim shoes
 


See page 4, top >_>
#36300401686 02/07/2008 10:10:29 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
I hate you.
#36300401722 02/07/2008 10:29:50 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
((I love event posts like this.  Given the option of sifting through area chat filled with lame insults and acronyms to find the event dialogue, or no dialogue at all, I'll take no dialogue.))
#36300401863 02/07/2008 12:55:36 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

I thought it was Lo Ramuh, but it's been a while since I've been down there!

Wow... this is building up to something! =)

#36300401988 02/07/2008 16:30:25 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
kou_urake wrote:
((Note the black vest. Its the sim.))
Actually it's easier if you examine the pants.

...

Don't take that out of context.


#36300401992 02/07/2008 16:35:55 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Rarebit wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Note the black vest. Its the sim.))
Actually it's easier if you examine the pants.

...

Don't take that out of context.


Uhm...
#36300402000 02/07/2008 16:42:40 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Rarebit wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Note the black vest. Its the sim.))
Actually it's easier if you examine the pants.

...

Don't take that out of context.



Right; so Morpheus enjoyed Lo Ruhamah's outfit as much as I did, I see.
#36300402001 02/07/2008 16:42:47 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
((Oh, duh. Right, old morphy pants were purple. Fake one's are black. Definately the fake one.))
#36300402255 02/07/2008 21:52:33 [9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Morpheus wrote:

 
 
 


Rarebit, you need to find yourself a girl, mate.

kou_urake wrote:

((Oh, duh. Right, old morphy pants were purple. Fake one's are black. Definately the fake one.))

I was wondering why you guys were paying such close attention to his shirt. Then Rarebit had to come in and validate it. Good eye, guys. Attention to detail pays off.

Just another cocktease, darnit.

#36300402256 02/07/2008 21:53:24 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

 If the Real Morpheus pants color is purple... wouldn`t that make this* Morpheus the real one?

 http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300011126

 One closer picture just for doubt...



Hmm....
#36300402260 02/07/2008 22:00:07 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
KevinX wrote:

 If the Real Morpheus pants color is purple... wouldn`t that make this* Morpheus the real one?

 http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300011126

 One closer picture just for doubt...



Hmm....

Da da Duuuuhhhhh........
#36300402272 02/07/2008 22:33:42 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
KevinX wrote:

 If the Real Morpheus pants color is purple... wouldn`t that make this* Morpheus the real one?

 http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/posts/list.m?topic_id=36300011126

 One closer picture just for doubt...



Hmm....
Breaking merv hearts... </3
#36300402390 02/08/2008 05:24:50 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
shinpseudo wrote:
Rarebit wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Note the black vest. Its the sim.))
Actually it's easier if you examine the pants.

...

Don't take that out of context.



Right; so Morpheus enjoyed Lo Ruhamah's outfit as much as I did, I see.



I'd rise from the dead too just to check her out.
#36300402490 02/08/2008 11:41:35 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

OK, so what have we learned?

Very little by itself, it seems... but other facts from the past may be helpful.

At the very beginning, Morpheus was taking the "jihadist" route, using viruses and code bombs to destabilize the Matrix.  His intent: To retrieve Neo's physical body and return it to Zion.  He went to The Oracle on several occasions to help him decide upon that path.  In fact, he very directly asked "Why won't they give up his remains?"  Of course, the Mervs hired the Assassin to take Morpheus down, EPN is formed, blah blah blah.

When the General created Morpheus 2.0 (or are we calling him Morpheus-sim?  Psuedo-Morpheus?  Whatever.) he used some of Morpheus's memories to create him.  Why do I say that?  It's obvious.  A simulated version of Morpheus would not be convincing without his memories or some type of thought-pattern-algorithms in the AI.  Of course, it was probably impossible for the General to get a full idea of Morpheus's every last thought and memory; the original was a redpill, after all, and didn't spend his entire life jacked in.  So the Morpheus we see here today is most likely a flawed creation.  Hell, even the Intruder saw through the ruse.

So maybe the whole black pants/purple pants thing was designed deliberately. 

But we knew that already.

Try this on for size: Morpheus 2.0 does have a collection of the original redpill's memory patterns, including the fact that Neo and Trinity died to save Mankind.  He apparently remembers Seraph; he would know that Seraph would keep an eye on current events as well.  So Seraph and Morpheus 2.0 have a little chat.  Morpheus 2.0 is directed to the Abandoned Subway where he speaks to LR.  Meanwhile, someone (can't tell who... Ghost? Some other redpill? It definitely isn't Morpheus) visits Neo's gravesite, and LR decides to go have a chat with the Trainman.

Put it all together... and it seems to me like Morpheus 2.0 is trying to find a way to revive Neo.  I still think that's impossible - the man is dead, Jim - but stranger things have happened.  If the Architect could devise a way to genetically reincarnate someone, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Zion to do the same thing when given the correct knowledge and equipment.

(Note to self: Put in a call to LR.)

#36300402544 02/08/2008 13:07:49 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
The story summary that just went up says:

"Operatives identified contact between Seraph, Morpheus, and Lo Ruhamah. Morpheus was seen with Ruhamah at the Abandoned Subway."

Why doesn't it say "the Morpheus SIM"...? Or is the SIM just called "Morpheus" now?
#36300402545 02/08/2008 13:10:58 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

Maybe he's the real Morpheus this whole time but he was brainwashed into thinking he was just a SIM! SMILEY

>.>

<.<

#36300402549 02/08/2008 13:28:48 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Garu wrote:

Maybe he's the real Morpheus this whole time but he was brainwashed into thinking he was just a SIM! SMILEY

I've actually thought about that before...I remember before he died there being rumors Morpheus was working with the General...

He's called Morpheus in-game too, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was what was meant in the event summary.
#36300402559 02/08/2008 14:00:08 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
shinpseudo wrote:
The story summary that just went up says:

"Operatives identified contact between Seraph, Morpheus, and Lo Ruhamah. Morpheus was seen with Ruhamah at the Abandoned Subway."

Why doesn't it say "the Morpheus SIM"...? Or is the SIM just called "Morpheus" now?

The Oracle in some event, that im to lazy to look up, said she called the Morpheus SIM "Morpheus" now because it made it a bit easier.
#36300402566 02/08/2008 14:27:16 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
((The sim's *always* been called "Morpheus" - why they didn't update this is beyond me. I know he was supposed to confuse us when the General was pulling the strings... but now its confusion for confusion's sake.))
#36300402589 02/08/2008 15:09:16 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Seems to be like  someone is really digging on giving the community just enough to keep them interested but still leave them hanging....  new area screens, no captioned live event threads... maybe the next cinematic will just be audio with a black screen so we can solve the mystery of who's talking.
#36300402983 02/09/2008 07:48:58 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
((Sometimes suspense can be fun, like in films when you get a cliff hanger and you have to wait months for the next one to come out. Also event posts like these generate a lot of conversation, theories and debates which are also fun because you actually have to think and take into account of everything you can. Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))
#36300402984 02/09/2008 08:05:47 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Vinia wrote:
((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program SMILEY
#36300402989 02/09/2008 08:13:05 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
shinpseudo wrote:
Vinia wrote:
((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program SMILEY
Well that was my interpretation, I'm sure she'd have a much more... long winded and confusing way of saying thats it'd avoid confusion....
#36300402990 02/09/2008 08:15:37 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Vinia wrote:
shinpseudo wrote:
Vinia wrote:
((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program SMILEY
Well that was my interpretation, I'm sure she'd have a much more... long winded and confusing way of saying thats it'd avoid confusion....
Not really. She also thinks he's dead.
#36300403017 02/09/2008 09:07:57 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Since Morpheus is dead (let's just assume that for a second people, ok?), the simulacrum assumed his identity (we all know the original reason). Eventually his programming overtook him and now he's more like the biggest fanboy of Morpheus, since what Morpheus did/said has more influence over him than over normal people. Although he is confronted with looking, speaking and thinking like Morpheus, the Simulacrum is an individual of his own. That he still does what "Morpheus would do" is because the knowledge of Morpheus convinced him.

Although taking Morpheus's name is problematic in some cases, it is, however, most suitable. Although Morpheus  assumed the title Morpheus more or less purposefully, namely the title of the "god of sleep", like many of the redpills names tend to give themselves mythological names, the Simulacrum can assume the name Morpheus in the fashion of "you are what you eat" or "the phrase that defines you most".

If Morpheus would be to come back and confront him, it is doubtful that the name conflict would last long. They'd settle this in a very ... interesting, to say least, conversation. But since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, calling the Simulacrum Morpheus is no problem whatsoever.
#36300403019 02/09/2008 09:15:55 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Exiled programs are marked as such in their forum titles or by their function (see the general's post)
#36300403021 02/09/2008 09:19:31 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Morpheus isn't an exiled program though as he's still in the place where he's supposed to be and... I suspect, still has a purpose...
#36300403273 02/09/2008 18:56:18 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

Wait, wait. Is this Morpheus? Supposedly dead Morpheus? Or is it another annoying appearance of the Simulacrum....Troublesome....hmm...

-Anonymous

#36300403280 02/09/2008 19:32:01 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
Vinia wrote:
Morpheus isn't an exiled program though as he's still in the place where he's supposed to be and... I suspect, still has a purpose...

Lack of purpose doesn't equal exile. See "The Keymaker" for reference.
#36300403282 02/09/2008 19:36:51 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
GamiSB wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Morpheus isn't an exiled program though as he's still in the place where he's supposed to be and... I suspect, still has a purpose...

Lack of purpose doesn't equal exile. See "The Keymaker" for reference.
((Wouldn't it say 'Exile' where it says 'Event Character'? The General has it, but he doesn't...))
#36300403317 02/09/2008 20:56:04 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
ShiXinFeng wrote:
Gerik wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
shinpseudo wrote:
Hmm... the collector Lo Ruhamah, name taken from the Book of Hosea, is "chosen by God as a sign of displeasure with the people of Israel for following other gods." So then we see someone in a prophet duster by the RSI in Gracy...and then there's Seraph....yea I still have no clue what's going on.


THEY ARE SIGNS OF THE SECOND COMMING OF THE PROPHET! and by Prophet I don't mean that dead guy who dreams alot but rather the prophet of soul.

 

James Brown

Indeed! I believe in the almighty, James Brown! Save us!


Heh! Get on up!

Hehe! Get on up now!

I Feel Good! do do do do do do do doo do dooo

I knew that I would! do do do do do do do doo do dooo

I Feeel Nice! do do do do do do do doo do dooo

Like Sugar and Spice! do do do do do do do doo do dooo
#36300403808 02/10/2008 22:56:04 Re:[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
SMILEY