Vector Players. Vector Events.

kaosdevil wrote:

I saw that you posted yas, so i thought naturally it will be something decent enough to read with a fair enough point of view, which however it was. Your completely right when you say that, but again i think maybe i worded it a bit wrongly so i left my self open for a bit of drama tbh and maybe i should have kept it to myself but your definatly right in saying i can't tell people what to do, you guys and girls pay to play the game so naturally you can do whatever you please, infact i have actually looked at the whole picture and reviewed people's opinons and in actual fact how does anyone know what happens once they log off, who knows, they may go back to syntax or recursion but maybe there only logging on for events in general, so i appolgise for this thread i think it have brought a different message across than intended.

No i can't tell people what to do. Wasn't expecting to. Take this thread as more of a if you have time pop a bit more on vector, would be great to have more people about. No this game is far from dead which i said in another post, there are new 50s poping up all the time believe it or not, so again this is not a thread about saying we don't have  enough players as it is kind of thing at all. All i'm saying is, if you do have a 50 on Vector pop on a bit more if you can, its nice to see new faces and a different range of pvp and knowledge.

 Sorry to anyone who i've offended in this thread, wasn't intended, like i said i could have probally worded it better and the message i put across was a different on than intended. Thanks - KD 

Well, I didn't actually mean you were telling people what to do. I think some people are prone to it though.

Well all I can say is when you have some of the RED players FROM Vector agreeing with what I posted then you know something is definatley wrong with the system.  And as far as you few idiots who are suggesting that you just contact your liasons and keep an eye on you in game email go back and read my post.  The Zion liassons on VECTOR are dead.  They have not logged on for months.  I have sent emails to them on serveral occassions over the past few months and have recieved no response.  I have sent emails about the information that I retrieved from Hypatia about the Intruder that NO ONE else in game has, and that would be pertinent for our operatives in Zion to know.  So... either they aren't logging on or they just don't give a crap about working with the factions and individuals here on Vector that want to help in progressing the storyline. 

Now I could go back and do a huge detailed account of all the Live events for the past year that have taken place on Vector, Syntax, and Recursion and what orgs have gotten what Live Events on each server, to show the descrpancy (which has all been done before) but it's not going to matter a bit.  It's pretty obvious that either A. Rarebit doesn't really give a crap  or B. Rarebit doesn't really give a crap, because if he did he'd of replaced the Zion liasons with someone who wants to do the job and who would jack in and do what they are suppoused to do at least form time to time.  It's obvious there is no one watching the boat over there.  That's how you have a Liason getting banned from LESIG and then ending up no more than a month later back as a Liason again.  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

I just feel it's good from time to time to bring out the stick and poke them in the side and say "Hey we know what's going on.  You're not fooling anyone.  and personally I think your full of *poop* if you think you are." 

So yeah... I'm tweaking their nose once again about all this... Or I guess more rightly RB's.  Heh... He needs it every so often.

Brommerz77 wrote:

Vector boards are for vector players, get off them please nubs

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...mp;#36300340017

Well all I can say is when you have some of the RED players FROM Vector agreeing with what I posted then you know something is definatley wrong with the system.  And as far as you few idiots who are suggesting that you just contact your liasons and keep an eye on you in game email go back and read my post.  The Zion liassons on VECTOR are dead.  They have not logged on for months.  I have sent emails to them on serveral occassions over the past few months and have recieved no response.  I have sent emails about the information that I retrieved from Hypatia about the Intruder that NO ONE else in game has, and that would be pertinent for our operatives in Zion to know.  So... either they aren't logging on or they just don't give a crap about working with the factions and individuals here on Vector that want to help in progressing the storyline. 

Now I could go back and do a huge detailed account of all the Live events for the past year that have taken place on Vector, Syntax, and Recursion and what orgs have gotten what Live Events on each server, to show the descrpancy (which has all been done before) but it's not going to matter a bit.  It's pretty obvious that either A. Rarebit doesn't really give a crap  or B. Rarebit doesn't really give a crap, because if he did he'd of replaced the Zion liasons with someone who wants to do the job and who would jack in and do what they are suppoused to do at least form time to time.  It's obvious there is no one watching the boat over there.  That's how you have a Liason getting banned from LESIG and then ending up no more than a month later back as a Liason again.  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

I just feel it's good from time to time to bring out the stick and poke them in the side and say "Hey we know what's going on.  You're not fooling anyone.  and personally I think your full of *CENSORED* if you think you are." 

So yeah... I'm tweaking their nose once again about all this... Or I guess more rightly RB's.  Heh... He needs it every so often.

Gerik wrote:

Brommerz77 wrote:

Vector boards are for vector players, get off them please nubs

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...mp;#36300340017

But what Broms says in that thread is true so uhh leave plz

NO I THINK I WILL STAY.

SUCCESSFUL FORUM TROLL IS SUCCESSFUL.

broin wrote:

  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

broin wrote:

  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

Would like proof please.

broin wrote:

  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

Would like proof please.

 Its now confirmed Broin is this *CENSORED* bag

Ballak wrote:

broin wrote:

  You have LESIG members releasing information to their factions and friends informing them of when and where events are going to be happening, but that is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.  Same as it ever was. 

Would like proof please.

I acutally have posted such before but it was removed... I'm sure if I start naming names and what not it won't end up very good.  But LESIG is like a rusty bucket full of holes leaking information everywhere and TBH you and everyone else knows it.

The issue is with players who mainly play Syntax and Recursion getting wind of Vector events before the main Vector players do, because all the Vector liaisons are are from those servers.

Sure, we all have the right to attend events on other servers.  Nobody is breaking the rules by doing so.  But when certain players on Vector, who are known alts from other servers, are given advanced notice of events over those players who play mainly if not solely on Vector, it's going to ruffle a few feathers.  In all actuality, this applies to all servers.  I'm sure there are some Recursion and Syntax players who wouldn't appreciate alts from Vector coming over and stealing the show on their servers.

Agreed. 

As for the rest of this crap in the thread.. meh.  I have a feeling most of the liasions aren't leaking.  It's people that get to talk to liasions (and SCREW you if you say everyone can.  I'm ignored by about 90% of liasions) - they find out about events..who tell their friends.. who tell their friend.. etc etc. 

This is why the same group of people show up at every single event across all the servers.  Good on them, put me on that contact list.

eh, i see your point but i cant really say much as i do the same, i have characters on other servers and like to get to as many events as possible, its  how some of us get our 15$ worth per month >_O

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Spelling corrected for forum trolls, who troll your posts for spelling mistakes, etc, etc..

Yair; eye height dat

I have to agree with DevillJohnny here.

I too have alts on all servers, granted they arnt level 50 but I do the same as stated

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The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't have to have characters on all servers with alts in all orgs in order to have a chance at attending an event.  If you have the time and patience to play the game to that extent, more power to you.  A lot of us prefer to follow the story from one character on one server, for many reasons.  Are we just S.O.L.?

The issue is with players who mainly play Syntax and Recursion getting wind of Vector events before the main Vector players do, because all the Vector liaisons are are from those servers.

Sure, we all have the right to attend events on other servers.  Nobody is breaking the rules by doing so.  But when certain players on Vector, who are known alts from other servers, are given advanced notice of events over those players who play mainly if not solely on Vector, it's going to ruffle a few feathers.  In all actuality, this applies to all servers.  I'm sure there are some Recursion and Syntax players who wouldn't appreciate alts from Vector coming over and stealing the show on their servers.

What can be done about it?  Not a lot, obviously.  Unless we want to go back to the "one character per server" model that the game started out in.  I'm probably the only one who would be happy about that.

It truly is not fair to the Zion, and until recently, EPN, players who chose to remain primarily on Vector to have so little LESIG  activity.  I realize being an LO is time consuming, but as I and many others have said before: if you do not have the time or interest, then step down, and let someone else who *does*  have the incentive to do the job have a crack at it.

Meh, I don't really care about events anymore.  Nothing really matters, IMO.

That right there is the qoute of the year... RB should print this up and post it on his wall.  It is the way that things have been run that has lead to long time players giving up, leaving the game, transferring to other servers, and basically giving up on getting any type of quality event on Vector.  It has been this way for a long long time over here and the totallity of most of the players frustration and disappointment is what has lead to where things are now.... Thing are where they have been for a long time.... Nowhere.

I say print out those words and put them on your wall.

Shadow-SK wrote:

Meh, I don't really care about events anymore.  Nothing really matters, IMO.

That right there is the qoute of the year... RB should print this up and post it on his wall.  It is the way that things have been run that has lead to long time players giving up, leaving the game, transferring to other servers, and basically giving up on getting any type of quality event on Vector.  It has been this way for a long long time over here and the totallity of most of the players frustration and disappointment is what has lead to where things are now.... Thing are where they have been for a long time.... Nowhere.

I say print out those words and put them on your wall.

We're getting away from the OP, however, I agree with this post for the most part.

There's only so much players can do in terms of events and such like. Events need to immerse us and involve us in the story. Make it feel like our opinions matter and our actions have "cause and effect" as some french dude once said

broin wrote:

Shadow-SK wrote:

Meh, I don't really care about events anymore.  Nothing really matters, IMO.

That right there is the qoute of the year... RB should print this up and post it on his wall.  It is the way that things have been run that has lead to long time players giving up, leaving the game, transferring to other servers, and basically giving up on getting any type of quality event on Vector.  It has been this way for a long long time over here and the totallity of most of the players frustration and disappointment is what has lead to where things are now.... Thing are where they have been for a long time.... Nowhere.

I say print out those words and put them on your wall.

We're getting away from the OP, however, I agree with this post for the most part.

There's only so much players can do in terms of events and such like. Events need to immerse us and involve us in the story. Make it feel like our opinions matter and our actions have "cause and effect" as some french dude once said " />

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Apologies for not referencing your on-topic points, but I have to say that the above is very much not the case.

You're more of a Grandma Death ilk.

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

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Apologies for not referencing your on-topic points, but I have to say that the above is very much not the case.

You're more of a Grandma Death ilk.

exsuscito wrote:

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

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Apologies for not referencing your on-topic points, but I have to say that the above is very much not the case.

You're more of a Grandma Death ilk.

I may have to throw one of my recently slaughtered cats at you!

Yasamuu1 wrote:

broin wrote:

Shadow-SK wrote:

Meh, I don't really care about events anymore.  Nothing really matters, IMO.

That right there is the qoute of the year... RB should print this up and post it on his wall.  It is the way that things have been run that has lead to long time players giving up, leaving the game, transferring to other servers, and basically giving up on getting any type of quality event on Vector.  It has been this way for a long long time over here and the totallity of most of the players frustration and disappointment is what has lead to where things are now.... Thing are where they have been for a long time.... Nowhere.

I say print out those words and put them on your wall.

We're getting away from the OP, however, I agree with this post for the most part.

There's only so much players can do in terms of events and such like. Events need to immerse us and involve us in the story. Make it feel like our opinions matter and our actions have "cause and effect" as some french dude once said ">

The game world we live in is now inconsistent with events that are supposed to have occurred, information passed down by prominent figures has been dismissed with throw away gestures denying our basic investigative tools, basic rational is ignored in order to deliver story 'shock's and even the most powerful single figure we know of has had everything he supposedly achieved dismissed... these are the real consequences of the story and its seriously damaging the game as a whole, a kind of cancer that over time could strike every player and all but eliminate rp.

Players need to be made to feel involved they need to feel they have some chance, however remote, to make a difference, they need to feel progress is being made in new areas and not continually be forced to asked and re-ask the exact same questions (which soon convinces you any future answer simply doesn't matter), they need to feel some impact from events and happening, they need to feel some distinction between their org and every other, death needs to be a threat that returns to the matrix we cannot casually be considered invulnerable online.... this is where the story is failing its mmo base, nothing to do with how good or bad the specific revelations we get are, its the mechanisms used to develop the story that are systematically eroding the potential involvement of the player character, they are eating away at the foundations of  any purpose we might hope to have.

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Not at all, it's good to see you back, actually.

I don't think we're completely devoid of it. Infact, there's been some recently which show promise like The Cypherite who destroyed Old Zion, that was a player. The Cyph event the other night apparently had a choice to fight or talk, looking at the live events post and the was a Machine event a while ago where we had to protect a hacker for a time limit. So, there are some events. I feel that there should be more though. It could actually be an underlying reason why it's so easy to just jump from server to server for events, because nothing said or done outside of a live event or lesig event actually matters in the grand scheme of things. 

The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't have to have characters on all servers with alts in all orgs in order to have a chance at attending an event.  If you have the time and patience to play the game to that extent, more power to you.  A lot of us prefer to follow the story from one character on one server, for many reasons.  Are we just S.O.L.?

The issue is with players who mainly play Syntax and Recursion getting wind of Vector events before the main Vector players do, because all the Vector liaisons are are from those servers.

Sure, we all have the right to attend events on other servers.  Nobody is breaking the rules by doing so.  But when certain players on Vector, who are known alts from other servers, are given advanced notice of events over those players who play mainly if not solely on Vector, it's going to ruffle a few feathers.  In all actuality, this applies to all servers.  I'm sure there are some Recursion and Syntax players who wouldn't appreciate alts from Vector coming over and stealing the show on their servers.

What can be done about it?  Not a lot, obviously.  Unless we want to go back to the "one character per server" model that the game started out in.  I'm probably the only one who would be happy about that.

Yasamuu1 wrote:

broin wrote:

Shadow-SK wrote:

Meh, I don't really care about events anymore.  Nothing really matters, IMO.

That right there is the qoute of the year... RB should print this up and post it on his wall.  It is the way that things have been run that has lead to long time players giving up, leaving the game, transferring to other servers, and basically giving up on getting any type of quality event on Vector.  It has been this way for a long long time over here and the totallity of most of the players frustration and disappointment is what has lead to where things are now.... Thing are where they have been for a long time.... Nowhere.

I say print out those words and put them on your wall.

We're getting away from the OP, however, I agree with this post for the most part.

There's only so much players can do in terms of events and such like. Events need to immerse us and involve us in the story. Make it feel like our opinions matter and our actions have "cause and effect" as some french dude once said " />

The game world we live in is now inconsistent with events that are supposed to have occurred, information passed down by prominent figures has been dismissed with throw away gestures denying our basic investigative tools, basic rational is ignored in order to deliver story 'shock's and even the most powerful single figure we know of has had everything he supposedly achieved dismissed... these are the real consequences of the story and its seriously damaging the game as a whole, a kind of cancer that over time could strike every player and all but eliminate rp.

Players need to be made to feel involved they need to feel they have some chance, however remote, to make a difference, they need to feel progress is being made in new areas and not continually be forced to asked and re-ask the exact same questions (which soon convinces you any future answer simply doesn't matter), they need to feel some impact from events and happening, they need to feel some distinction between their org and every other, death needs to be a threat that returns to the matrix we cannot casually be considered invulnerable online.... this is where the story is failing its mmo base, nothing to do with how good or bad the specific revelations we get are, its the mechanisms used to develop the story that are systematically eroding the potential involvement of the player character, they are eating away at the foundations of  any purpose we might hope to have.

I've been saying this for a long time mind, but people just see me as mad old cat lady now " />

exsuscito wrote:

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

I've been saying this for a long time mind, but people just see me as mad old cat lady now " width="15" height="15" />

Apologies for not referencing your on-topic points, but I have to say that the above is very much not the case.

You're more of a Grandma Death ilk.

I may have to throw one of my recently slaughtered cats at you!

everyone pays there $15 a month, ... go out the way and you use own time to grind another 50 and turn up for  events. If they got a 50 i see no problem with them going to an event... They have just as much right as you. I got 50's on other servers, does that mean i cant go to events over there anymore just because i prefer to spend more time on my main?

jonny haz 50s!

about the events, i agree with a lot of people but mainly with what is stated above....

Yall talkin about event? Duh, what's an event? Do some event real exist? haven't seen a 1 good one for soooooo long time.....

SajghO wrote:

Yall talkin about event? Duh, what's an event? Do some event real exist? haven't seen a 1 good one for soooooo long time.....

Euro players needs an Euro Dev team, oh wait, we have Yasamuu ^_^ J/k!

Meh stupid forums I don't know how to multiquote...

@ Yas

I think its great that players are incorporated into events and some choices are, at last. being incorporated into them. I have a great deal of admiration for the continually improving way Rarebit is evolving events and look forward to it going further, but my reference to involvement of the player is actually the larger scale issue that concerns the story as a whole and the mechanisms it uses to progress matters.

You mentioned in your earlier post, and its a subject close to my heart, Causality is what is missing, or at least a credible alternative to causality. The story involves the players as a whole when it deals with matters that effect the players or effects aspects of the environment or effects things/people we have come to care about. We can learn of, or be told anything, but unless it has some form of effect or consequence that we can be appreciated it fails to convince, or have meaning and therefore fails to involve us. The larger the story change, the more important it is that there is some consequence or resonance to reflect it, however the story at present appears to have abandoned any need for this connection, large events occur but no material change is seen anywhere, no one appears to react or change their manner of interaction with the matrix; it is literally as if nothing has truely happened.... Equally our own ability to discern fact has really taken a tumble, along with any ability, even within the imagination, we had to make any change to the future, its as if we have been written out of the story. 

Major events have occured without any material or structural consequence (truce gone, zion destroyed, cypherites used, ejp free to all etc), questions are being asked of matters which undermine any ability we have to answer - we can only be told information yet even info given us by reliable sources is routinely dismissed. The story can do anything, go anywhere, this mmo can't it's as if the story as a whole has ignored its mmo basis throwing shock and surprises our way without considering the consequence and without feeling the need to explain the contradictions left behind. This approach is certainly appreciable to me since the Sati event and amounts to a much less convicing Martrix world.

@War

I agree with your comment and believe this is the root of the problem in the story at present, not only is it existing at a comic book level (probably as it should in all fairness) but the story is developing in a manner that treats ourselves as reader rather than active participant. The change in attitude is also evident in new content which is added in some cases without any attempt at presenting a story level explanation, allowing us items and opponents that really don't belong in the matrix universe. There is a gradual and consistent divergence of story from content, and from the environment, fragmenting the game and diffusing its appeal, when the story should in fact be binding it all togther, making us care, getting us involved to reinforce the world, to provide endgame content and give us all hope we have some ability to make a difference.

The points I make here won't matter to some, there are valid explanantions players can offer but the larger issues require a kind of consistency only the official story can give. Over time the issue will become more significant and fewer people will retain any interest in what is supposed to be happening, which would be a great shame.

Hey, I don't want to necro but in a way I am, because if I posted anything different I'd get the lulforumpolice to point me to this thread even though it is a 6 month necro but apparently this issue is still prevalent so anyways..

Are we all over this, or are Vector players still not past players from different servers coming to their events?

Hey, I don't want to necro but in a way I am, because if I posted anything different I'd get the lulforumpolice to point me to this thread even though it is a 6 month necro but apparently this issue is still prevalent so anyways..

Are we all over this, or are Vector players still not past players from different servers coming to their events?

Ballak... what have you done?!

Yasamuu wrote:

Ballak... what have you done?!

Opened a can of worms. But seriously, I'm willing to debate the idea of that some of the people on Vector just simply do not like players from Syntax and Recursion coming to their server's events. I mean, I'm not sure how the Systematica thing worked out, but from what I heard about Systematica implementing some system where it would be only active Machinists on Vector going to Vector events, i.e. discluding those who plays on different servers but take the time to level an alt on Vector just to be a part of those events. Is that fair? No. Is it fair for those on Vector to complain about Syntax and Recursion coming to their events? No. It's funny though, because it doesn't bother Syntax when Recursion or Vector comes to Syntax events, and it doesn't bother Recursion (excluding NightTrace for being drunk half the time) when Syntax and Vector go to Recursion events, but it just seems when it comes down to Vector, there's a big problem with it.

I mean in a way, I can see how it can be annoying that someone who doesn't frequently come to your server comes and wins an award that you felt that you deserved, because this is not their main server and it *is* your main server but you guys have got to realize that life is tough. Everyone pays their own $15 a month, and you do not own Live Events. Disclude us from your player events all you want if you feel that strongly, but Live Events are for everybody and that's nothing you can change, ever.

*CENSORED* U CARBAR NUB **Welcome to our forums** ARE FOREM.  THIS IS ARE SERVER, U AVE KNOW WRITE BEEN HEAR U DUN CONTREE...BOOT...CONCHRI...DO A FING 4 DA SERVUH SO **Welcome to our forums** 1 OWN U SO HARD U SUK AT MA U RL CHARUCTA IS QUSTUNEBULL N UR MOM IS FAT HAHAHAHA /SWAGGERANDHIGHFIVES.

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*CENSORED* U CARBAR NUB **Welcome to our forums** ARE FOREM.  THIS IS ARE SERVER, U AVE KNOW WRITE BEEN HEAR U DUN CONTREE...BOOT...CONCHRI...DO A FING 4 DA SERVUH SO **Welcome to our forums** 1 OWN U SO HARD U SUK AT MA U RL CHARUCTA IS QUSTUNEBULL N UR MOM IS FAT HAHAHAHA /SWAGGERANDHIGHFIVES.

Live Events in general are a withered husk of what they once were.  If people want to cross servers to attend LE's in the naive hope that their actions will have any value or impact whatsoever, let them to it. 

Frankly, Vector could use the boost in population.