7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

#36300360136 11/28/2007 03:30:38 7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

This is just a doubt.

Neo is an anomaly resulted from the variability of giving humans the choice, right?

Right, now, The First Matrix was supposed to be a perfect place because everyone MUST BE HAPPY without any choice. Just like the Second version of the Matrix where everyone should suffer and there were no "but"s.

So, if this choice thing was given until the 3rd version, it means that the First and the Second Matrix did not have an Anomaly because there were no choices, therefore, there were no Neos at all.

And, if in this 7th version we're on we do have choice, then again we will have an Anomaly.

What do you think?

#36300360173 11/28/2007 05:30:26 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Though it's said that the System (the Matrix) cannot be sustained without the Anomalie, as it is an important part of the Matrix itself, it apparently does, which could mean many things. This could also mean that the Anomalie need not be a one-at-a-time occurance, so that there could be created many "different" Anomalies in the same Matrix instance (we are still in Neo's Matrix instance actually).

What you make of what I said, is your choice =P

#36300360202 11/28/2007 07:10:46 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

This is called "Making Sense of the Architect's Speech".

The Cycle of the One has been broken, first by Neo himself, and later by the mistakes the Machines made in the name of Peace. In essence, there can be no return to the way things were, because the Machines simply can't do it. To explain that, let me explain a few other things that I've learned along this strange trip.

The One was the "eventuality of an anomaly", not "The Anomaly" as everyone keeps referring to him. The anomaly the Architect referred to in his speech are those that choose the real world over the Matrix (namely us. . .redpills, Awakened, w/e), something the Architect has "been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision." When the Agents see Neo and refer to him as 'the' anomaly, they are simply referring to 'the' anomaly that they were likely told to watch out for.

The One was a creation of the Machines, to be used as a measure of control over the systemic anomaly (again, the .1% of the inhabitants of the pod clusters that don't accept the Matrix as real). Since they had to be given the choice, then there would always be that .1% that kept trying to wake up. The Machines knew that if that population were allowed to grow ("left unchecked"), it would spawn a civilization that would eventually rise up against them in revolution. Therefore the Machines came up with a brilliant plan, which we call the "Cycle of The One". It provided a place for the anomaly to live (Zion), a hope for a brighter future (The Prophecy), and a 'savior' to save them every so often. The Cycle was repeated often enough to keep things going smoothly.

Now, what happened that made Neo different? What caused him to choose the left door instead of the right, like he was supposed to? Trinity. Okay, what caused him to choose one over all? Love. And what caused that love to come to be? That's right, the old cookie-baker herself, the Oracle. She had been controlling Neo from the first moment they met ("And don't worry about the vase."). This time, for this One, she led him to Love, instead of Duty. Why? Purportedly, its because she wants humans and machines to live together in peace. But, who knows what the machinations of such manipulations can do to the mind of a computer program, even one as powerful as she.

So, going from here, what's going to happen? Who knows? I'd say we are going to have to consult with the Oracle again to find that out, since she seems to be holding all the cards.

#36300360747 11/28/2007 19:26:56 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Good observation. I couldn't agree with you anymore.

#36300360749 11/28/2007 19:37:43 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

I somewhat agree, Smith said all humans rejected the perfect world - which forced them to reconstruct.

Perhaps they rejected a miserable one too.

#36300361601 11/29/2007 20:21:13 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

I question this version: The Architect talked about the first 2 version. One was sublime and failed. The 2nd was miserable and failed. Then they created the cycle of the One and the Architect began counting. "I prefer counting from the emergence of one systemic anomaly to the emergence of the next in which this is the 6th version."

So, including the first 2 version that failed, isn't this the 8th version? And is still the 8th version, with the 6th Anomaly/One, in this case Neo/Thomas Anderson.

Two years of living the dream... and interpreting it! ~Variel

#36300361606 11/29/2007 20:38:24 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

ShiXinFeng wrote:

The One was a creation of the Machines, to be used as a measure of control over the systemic anomaly (again, the .1% of the inhabitants of the pod clusters that don't accept the Matrix as real).

In essence, Neo and any of the 'Ones' were the first Cypherites. Not in message, of course, but in machine purpose. How's that for irony?

#36300361610 11/29/2007 20:49:19 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

That is a possible deduction. I do believe though this is the most "unique" version of the Matrix. No other previous versions of the "One" did what Neo did, and that does carry some consequences as well some good and bad. Consider the fact that the formula the Architect worked out to counter the Oracle's solution.

All programs, from 01 to Megacity, Exiles, Agents, whatever. They all knew more or less how the cycle would run. Even the Zionists knew to some extent how things would work out (even though they do not come right and say it in the movies, common sense would dictate that someone kept a record of what happened last time around).

So Neo does what the other previous versions of the One didn't do, he chose the other door. Now we find ourselves in a new Matrix (well sort of ) , the only difference was the truce that was brought out because of Neo's deal with the Machine. Zion remained intact and the population more or less remained the same.

Not only that but awakenings were permitted.

Of course as said in the introduction of the game the Oracle says "nothing goes as planned, especially peace" (ok she said something like that), Hence why we have all these unique situations.

As far as an emergence of Neo, if you asked me that a year a go I would have said it's a possibility. Now I have some doubts about that too. But anything is possible SMILEY

#36300362219 11/30/2007 10:24:22 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Yes, according to the current knowledge we have been able to find, we are currently in the 8th iteration of the Matrix. We can't really call this Neo's version though, because technically speaking, it is actually the Oracle's version.

I, too, had doubts about Neo's return. But there are things in the storyline that have me wondering if he may indeed be alive. . .and still connected to the Source.

#36300362415 11/30/2007 15:39:10 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Well according to the old guy with a beard and fancy pen, he prefers to count from the emergence of one anomaly to the next. In this case, we are still in the same cycle (I dub "The Neo Cycle" ) since the next anomaly has not awakened to their powers, if one will at all.

I think.

#36300362425 11/30/2007 15:58:25 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

But wasn't the Neo's Matrix restarted after the Smith Purge?
You know, the scene when the street fixed itself and then sati is on the floor. If that is not a new Matirx instance, then we still in the Neo's Matrix... without Neo.

If that's so, the anomaly is under absolute control, and Exiles, Zionites or the Oracle herself can take advantaje of that.

What vesuveus says makes sense too. If there were no anomalies in the first 2 Matrix (because they where mathematicaly perfect) then he begun to count from the third Matrix with the Oracle Solution. If the Sati's scene is not a restart, then this is the 8th Matrix we're on

#36300362750 12/01/2007 07:07:49 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

According to Wikipedia we are still in Neo's iteration of the Matrix, which is the 5th iteration. An iteration of the Matrix is a repeat of the original Matrix so the original doesn't count as an iteration. The Heaven and Hell Matrices don't count as they are different versions or designs of the Matrix, which didn't have iterations because of no anomalies.

From Wikipedia:
Matrix v1.0 = Paradise Matrix, where the Angel Agents are from. Humans cannot be unplugged. Failed.
Matrix v2.0 = Nightmare Matrix, where Vampires/Werewolves/Ghosts/Monsters are from. Humans still cannot be unplugged. Failed.
Matrix v3.0 = Oracle's proposed version of the Matrix involving choice and the prophecy. First unplugged redpills populate Zion. First time The One appears to reload the Matrix. Success.
Matrix v3.1 = The One reloads the Matrix, chooses 23 people to repopulate Zion, and dies. Second time The One appears to reload the Matrix. Success.
Matrix v3.2 = The cycle continues. No further data on this version of the Matrix.
Matrix v3.3 = The cycle continues. No further data on this version of the Matrix.
Matrix v3.4 = The version of the Matrix where the Commando Agents are from. They attempt to fight against their prototype replacements (Current G-Men type Agents) before they can finish their test trials, and fail. The cycle continues.
Matrix v3.5 = The current version of the Matrix, where Neo and Agent Smith are from. Having never been reloaded, it is still the current version of the Matrix in The Matrix Online.

Maybe the Machines do need Neo back so he can return to the source and continue the cycle or he has completed his purpose and a new 'One' is needed to continue the cycle.

#36300362760 12/01/2007 07:18:04 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Interesting theory, but one thing of note:

The issue of choice is not a choice of accepting the simulation of not.

In the first Matrix, all was perfect, and the human mind rejected it, knowing that was impossible. Thinking that we needed misery, the machines immersed us in it, that failed, because we knew that it, too was impossible. The working version allows us to create our own misery. Such is the nature of humanity. We are predestined to be our own worst enemy.

#36300363578 12/02/2007 16:20:56 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

From what the Architect said I gather there are two things required for there to be a "new" matrix. 1) The "One's" code must be returned to the source. 2) The Matrix must be restarted. Now we all know that Neo was connected to the source when he was infected with the smith virus, so it can be argued that his code did return. It can also be argued that the matrix was restarted afterwards so that all the bluepills could be smith free. However it can also be argued that with the Machines being more open and working with redpills and zion having free access to some areas, that we are in a new version of the matrix.

#36300363605 12/02/2007 17:11:22 Re:7 Versions of Matrix = 5 Chosen ones

Chemuel wrote:

Interesting theory, but one thing of note:

The issue of choice is not a choice of accepting the simulation of not.

In the first Matrix, all was perfect, and the human mind rejected it, knowing that was impossible. Thinking that we needed misery, the machines immersed us in it, that failed, because we knew that it, too was impossible. The working version allows us to create our own misery. Such is the nature of humanity. We are predestined to be our own worst enemy.

This is an awesome post.

Perhaps, the test for which we use to identify something as 'real' is whether we can be happy, or create our own happiness, within that reality's boundries and restrictions. Those who choose the redpill, deciding that they cannot find what they are looking for within the Matrix and so wish to escape it, in order to create their own 'reality'. However, I think some of those who reject the Simulation as false can end up replacing one set of rules (those of the Matrix); with another (those of the awakened).

Agent Smith referred to "entire crops" being lost during the First version of the Matrix due to the inability of humans being able to accept it as real and if the same thing happened in the Second version, it would explain the emergence of "the One" at the beginning of the Third in order to create a balance to "the equation".