[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

#36300346148 10/31/2007 14:54:06 [8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Scheduled for tomorrow.

#36300346167 10/31/2007 15:37:13 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Sounds simple enough... *chuckles*

#36300346169 10/31/2007 15:39:46 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

If this involves doing something horrible and permanent to Colt or - I pray to the heavens - Niobe, I'll be very pleased.

#36300346172 10/31/2007 15:46:09 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Procurator wrote:

If this involves doing something horrible and permanent to Colt or - I pray to the heavens - Niobe, I'll be very pleased.

They would never do something like that in a mission, maybe a live event if your lucky or if not that a cinematic.

4 8 15 16 23 42

#36300346176 10/31/2007 15:49:26 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Don't forget that we supposedly killed Wright in a mission. Of course, I don't believe she's dead, but...

#36300346195 10/31/2007 16:11:19 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Procurator wrote:

If this involves doing something horrible and permanent to Colt or - I pray to the heavens - Niobe, I'll be very pleased.

And yet another example of Machinists blood thirsty way's. From that comment you sound sensitive to any insult, true Insults are not to be taken lightly, but one should not respond with death and destruction. Still, Don't let me stop you from your ignoble cause and ways.

#36300346208 10/31/2007 16:53:01 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

You what? Dude, if we kill either of them we'll be doing you a favour. Niobe's been a pain in the posterior since Day 1; that whole business with Unlimit was entirely her fault. And you know Colt's gonna do something (more) stupid and get you into trouble.

It's not like I'm going after all of Zion, is it? I have no desire to kill Ghost, for example. Unless he ventures into the Matrix, in which case he's subject to the blanket rule that Zionites are not allowed in the Simulation.

#36300346211 10/31/2007 17:05:12 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Mmmhmmm... we're at War, they wouldn't hesitate returning the sentiment I'm sure....

#36300346216 10/31/2007 17:12:21 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Procurator wrote:

You what? Dude, if we kill either of them we'll be doing you a favour. Niobe's been a pain in the posterior since Day 1; that whole business with Unlimit was entirely her fault. And you know Colt's gonna do something (more) stupid and get you into trouble.

It's not like I'm going after all of Zion, is it? I have no desire to kill Ghost, for example. Unless he ventures into the Matrix, in which case he's subject to the blanket rule that Zionites are not allowed in the Simulation.

The Only pain being caused here is by The Stupidity of The Machines and their Mindless Programs and operatives. The only acceptable condition would be for The Machines to cease all hostilities and to make reperations to Zion. After which, we will negotiate on other matters that need adressing. Also Zion does not recognise Your foolish idea of not being allowed in the Matrix, for to leave it is to endanger future extractions which must occur because of the flaws of the simulation, unless you wish the 1% who realise the flaws of the simulation to die?. Plus We believe that The Machines are planning to wipe out all of New Zion.

Also we think at this pont any posting's from any Cypherites wold be stupid and irrelevant.

#36300346223 10/31/2007 17:26:25 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

xenin wrote:

The Only pain being caused here is by The Stupidity of The Machines and their Mindless Programs and operatives. The only acceptable condition would be for The Machines to cease all hostilities and to make reperations to Zion. After which, we will negotiate on other matters that need adressing. Also Zion does not recognise Your foolish idea of not being allowed in the Matrix, for to leave it is to endanger future extractions which must occur because of the flaws of the simulation, unless you wish the 1% who realise the flaws of the simulation to die?. Plus We believe that The Machines are planning to wipe out all of New Zion.
Also we think at this pont any posting's from any Cypherites wold be stupid and irrelevant.

Reparations? Remember who's actions cause the truce to be terminated. How about Zion avoid more casualties and put down their weapons? It takes two to Tango.
Also, I'm sure that the Operatives who have been at the business end of a FM-1500 recognise that when the Machines don't want them there, they mean it. Why would the 1% need die, we Machinists, as Humans ourselves can easily recover the 1% and show them the truth of the world should they wish it.

And what makes you so sure that they want to wipe out new Zion? Because we're at war maybe? Because there are those who wish to wipe out the Machines?

#36300346230 10/31/2007 17:40:12 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Croesus wrote:

xenin wrote:
The Only pain being caused here is by The Stupidity of The Machines and their Mindless Programs and operatives. The only acceptable condition would be for The Machines to cease all hostilities and to make reperations to Zion. After which, we will negotiate on other matters that need adressing. Also Zion does not recognise Your foolish idea of not being allowed in the Matrix, for to leave it is to endanger future extractions which must occur because of the flaws of the simulation, unless you wish the 1% who realise the flaws of the simulation to die?. Plus We believe that The Machines are planning to wipe out all of New Zion.
Also we think at this pont any posting's from any Cypherites wold be stupid and irrelevant.

Reparations? Remember who's actions cause the truce to be terminated. How about Zion avoid more casualties and put down their weapons? It takes two to Tango.
Also, I'm sure that the Operatives who have been at the business end of a FM-1500 recognise that when the Machines don't want them there, they mean it. Why would the 1% need die, we Machinists, as Humans ourselves can easily recover the 1% and show them the truth of the world should they wish it.

And what makes you so sure that they want to wipe out new Zion? Because we're at war maybe? Because there are those who wish to wipe out the Machines?

Um The Machines must lay down their arms first, to show who really started the War, plus they began the Cypherites so I think they started it and we got fed up with their hypocracy. Also We think they wish to wipe us out because they have not slowed down their advances at all one bit. And what if that 1% doesn't agree with you? you would naturally kill them obviously. Plus to the Machines, Awakened Humans are nothing more than waste to them. We will lay dowqn our arms when you do yours first.

#36300346239 10/31/2007 17:51:52 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

xenin wrote:

Um The Machines must lay down their arms first, to show who really started the War, plus they began the Cypherites so I think they started it and we got fed up with their hypocracy. Also We think they wish to wipe us out because they have not slowed down their advances at all one bit. And what if that 1% doesn't agree with you? you would naturally kill them obviously. Plus to the Machines, Awakened Humans are nothing more than waste to them. We will lay dowqn our arms when you do yours first.

Uhh... Mankind started the war and it has been fought ever since, all the way through previous incarnations of the Simulation. Zion made plans to build a city even with the knowledge that is was against the truce agreed to by Zion and the Machines. The Machines began the Cypherite movement to prevent Zion from waking more than the 1%.

Zion has not stopped their activities against the Machines, increasingly encroaching on Machine territory in order to disrupt it. Also the same could be said for the recently awoken redpills... what if they don't want to join you? If we had your view we would say that they would be killed by Zion, after all you don't like those of us who see the bigger picture...

If awakened Humans were such a waste to the Machines, there would not be any Machinists. Indeed our services would still be required if Zion were to be wiped out, We would have to orientate newly awakened and deal with any Exile threats deemed not extreme enough to require Machine resources in the form of Agent programs. We are far from a waste, we are in fact a valuable asset.
As for laying down our arms... we do that, you'll only take advantage as has been displayed by many pages of Human history... The Machines gave you ample amounts of opportunities to lay down your arms in order to negotiate, but the resounding response was 'No'. Many from Zion wanted this war, so now you have it. If you didn't want to go to war, don't complain to us, complain to those who guided you to it.

#36300346243 10/31/2007 18:02:46 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Don't bother trying to reason with it, Vinia - I've been trying for years, its just not worth your time and effort.

#36300346244 10/31/2007 18:07:35 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Hey guys-you wanna argue about this stuff, do it in-game. This is for mission feedback, not RP. We don't need a mod to fill half the feedback with POST REMOVED.

#36300346246 10/31/2007 18:08:50 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

kou_urake wrote:

Don't bother trying to reason with it, Vinia - I've been trying for years, its just not worth your time and effort.

Hmm.. perhaps you are right. There was once a time, quite recently actually where I was really willing Zion to negotiate and find common ground to re-instate the truce.. but if this is the example of the attitudes being instilled in their operatives now, then I couldn't care less if New Zion will turn out to be barely a footnote in history.

((Can't help it Z, I <3 teh RP! But you are right, I'll wait for the mission to be released, then comment on it..))

#36300346282 10/31/2007 19:22:42 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

I liked the previous mission where we got to go around killing Zion operatives who's RSI signatures we had obtained, makes it feel like a real assassination rather than just deleting exiled programs or temporarily jacking out Zion operatives. Hopefully it's one of those types. It would only be an added bonus if we got to go after a more important story-line character...

#36300346467 11/01/2007 05:32:19 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

What... the... hell...?

I killed the guard, but drew the line at completely disregarding an order. I want to know what on Earth that was all about.

In other news, Roland is sensible! That's what I like to see: logical, considered orders to the rest of Zion to stop being stupid.

#36300346477 11/01/2007 06:01:17 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Hmmm... obviously leaving that last operative alive was more beneficial than termination although I would like Gray to elaborate...

#36300346481 11/01/2007 06:19:01 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Yeah, but why did she have an Elite Guard posted with her? I thought they were reserved for Merv operations.

Here's the output from the first computer I managed to hack:

The second was just a message from one operative to another, warning them to get out.

(( And they made our operator look stupid! After the above message, he said he didn't know who Colt was.

)

#36300346484 11/01/2007 06:26:45 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Procurator wrote:

Yeah, but why did she have an Elite Guard posted with her? I thought they were reserved for Merv operations.

(( And they made our operator look stupid! After the above message, he said he didn't know who Colt was. " />)

Hmmm.. I didn't notice the guard, but that is strange... Also it seems that the operator doesn't read all of the intelligence reports. Mind you Colt was pretty much a nobody until Lock disappeared, could your Op have been trying to crack a funny?

#36300346487 11/01/2007 07:00:53 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Well, he did say something along the lines of: 'He must be some new Zion nubcake.' SMILEY

#36300346565 11/01/2007 10:30:40 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

For a task that first seemed very straight forward, it certainly ended up raising more questions than it answered.. While I've come to expect a lack of explanation from those in command, I am certainly hoping we get one this time.

#36300346647 11/01/2007 13:03:24 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Huh... that was weird. Oh well, I'm not going to say no to sparing a life. Perhaps Roland finally decided to start talking.

#36300346657 11/01/2007 13:18:44 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Maybe the Zionite we didn't kill was a spy for us, or someone who actually works for the Merv.

Illyria

#36300346950 11/02/2007 03:00:01 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

You can kill her and still complete the mission if you'd prefer, Agent Gray simply says "You are not permitted to ignore orders, Mr/Ms. (Insert Last name)." Then upon completion he thanks you for being able to follow orders explicably.

#36300346980 11/02/2007 05:58:28 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Really? Blast. I didn't dare ignore the objective to 'Not kill [Person]', as I thought it would fail the mission. And as I haven't failed a mission in some time, I couldn't remember if it affected my reputation or not. I don't wanna lose my Maximum rating. SMILEY

#36300346992 11/02/2007 07:35:43 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

I generally like to stick to the objectives whenever possible. I'd hate to be a burden on Gray especially after all the work I've done to prove that Humankind can be responsible.

((Limitations on the mission system I guess - about what Gray says after if you do terminate the operative. Also I don't think that your Rep drops if you fail a mission. You'd just have to do it over again, but then it's been a long time since I mucked up on a mission...))

#36300347009 11/02/2007 08:49:22 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Well, if I'd known I could have killed the final target without it affecting my reputation points, I'd've done it. Not only to finish the job properly, but to spite Gray. He annoys me with all this cloak and dagger nonsense. Tell us what's going on, for God's sake!

#36300347208 11/02/2007 17:36:26 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

Hmm...very very interesting. Nicely done.

I like the set-up we're getting on these for Chapter 9, a lot of times the last missions are let-downs, not this one.

#36300347321 11/02/2007 23:35:08 Re:[8.3.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Terminate"

If you can or can't kill the last operative and still complete the mission that clues us in that it may not have been that important to keep the last operative alive, meaning they were expendable. Or, maybe they didn't want to let on just how important the last operative really was, maybe their hiding something from us...

Hmm...either way it would be nice to see an explanation in an upcoming live event