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#36300333182 10/04/2007 14:02:19 Yay, Speculation time!

First watch these two Cinematics

Cinematic 7.3

Cinematic 8.3

Ok, for two Cinematics now we've seen this guy who apparently is out in the real, watching events unfold, but apparently also watching Matrix: Revolution in Cinematic 8.3 Either that or someone else managed to make it into 01 and speak to Deus Ex Machina. So the question now is, who is this guy, is it an old character coming back or a new one? Also, was he watching Matrix Revolution or is a new event unfolding? Personally whoever he is, I think he was watching Matrix: Revolution, and I think it's a new character who will try to put an end to the war.

#36300333191 10/04/2007 14:11:08 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

The Matrix Revolution doesn't exist within the world of the matrix... it would just be a data disk... sorry that bugged me...

I HOPE HE'S NEW! =)

#36300333306 10/04/2007 17:29:05 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

TimeMaker wrote:

The Matrix Revolution doesn't exist within the world of the matrix... it would just be a data disk... sorry that bugged me...

I HOPE HE'S NEW! =)

Ok, well let me rephrase then. Was he watching Neo meet Deus Ex Machina or someone else meeting Deus Ex Machina? Better?

#36300333325 10/04/2007 18:08:58 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

((Its not the same scene from Revolutions, and Neo is wearing different clothing... there were no Sentinels visible in 01 during that scene :p This is more recent, and this post is totaly OOC ))

Neo is dead, nothing to see here, move along.

#36300333338 10/04/2007 18:51:21 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

Ebola wrote:

((Its not the same scene from Revolutions, and Neo is wearing different clothing... there were no Sentinels visible in 01 during that scene :p This is more recent, and this post is totaly OOC ))
Neo is dead, nothing to see here, move along.

The guy is blind folded, he's standing off the edge of a pipe, and he is meeting Deus Ex Machina. No humans beside Neo ever made it into 01, so unless Neo came back from the dead and is talking to Deus Ex Machina about the current situation, I'd have to say that it is the scene from Matrix Revolution.

#36300333387 10/04/2007 20:12:43 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

I can't remember the word, maybe it was creative license, but I'm gonna call it artistic leeway, when remaking something, do it with your style. So for all we know it is.

#36300333396 10/04/2007 20:51:42 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

The full poem that Persephone is reading can be found here: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors...ne/dolores.html

The name of the poem, "Dolores: Notre-Dame des Sept Douleurs", means "Dolores: Our Lady of the Seven Pains" or "Dolores: Our Lady of Pain"

That poem is essentially a collection of references to all the great historical and mythical tragic loves and their inseparability from torment and pain.
Essentially "All great passion is parallel with great and tragic sin and punishment".
Interestingly the passage Persephone is reading seems to be incredibly similar to the story of the suicide of Cleopatra. She supposedly killed herself by getting an asp to bite her on the breast... erotic, passionate tragedy.

This poem seems to explain a great deal of the motivation behind Persephone's behaviour. We see a number of books go past, indicating that Persephone is studying up on human emotion.
The Oracle has been suspiciously quiet of late and it makes me notice her. So I'm thinking along these lines:

The architect is the cold, logical designer of a perfect predictable system. The Oracle is the opposite, as she is designed to understand human choice, to predict the unpredictable.
Persephone seems to be the logical origin of the idea to make Neo fall in love with Trinity. She seems to be the complimentary element to the Architect and Oracle. An attempt to understand the emotions that drive illogical decisions in humans when choice and logic fail. The perfect example is when trinity goes into club Hel and threatens to kill the Merv and Persephone gets so excited by the passion of self sarifice (the if-I-can't-have-him-then-no-one-will attitude of "You give me Neo, or we all die right here, right now.")

It is important to remember also that no one except the machines have known what Neo did to broker a truce... up 'till now. Now we have this mystery observer in the real watching machine archive videos, living with machines around him (so it is highly unlikely that he works for Zion). He seems to be the same person that watched the machine attack on the General's Stalingrad base.

One final question: In the cinematic he is probably watching as his tip-off of the EPN powerline attack gives him revenge for the data that was stolen from him. What is the Merovingian doing collecting all this information about the powerlines and pod-fields recently? Could he be considering his back-up options for power if the Matrix is taken offline or damaged? Or perhaps he is investigating a new way to get programs in and out of the Matrix without the Trainman.

phiAU - The Kings of Never - noblesse oblige

#36300333429 10/04/2007 22:45:17 Re:Yay, Speculation time!

phi wrote:

The full poem that Persephone is reading can be found here: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors...ne/dolores.html

The name of the poem, "Dolores: Notre-Dame des Sept Douleurs", means "Dolores: Our Lady of the Seven Pains" or "Dolores: Our Lady of Pain"

That poem is essentially a collection of references to all the great historical and mythical tragic loves and their inseparability from torment and pain.
Essentially "All great passion is parallel with great and tragic sin and punishment".
Interestingly the passage Persephone is reading seems to be incredibly similar to the story of the suicide of Cleopatra. She supposedly killed herself by getting an asp to bite her on the breast... erotic, passionate tragedy.

This poem seems to explain a great deal of the motivation behind Persephone's behaviour. We see a number of books go past, indicating that Persephone is studying up on human emotion.
The Oracle has been suspiciously quiet of late and it makes me notice her. So I'm thinking along these lines:

The architect is the cold, logical designer of a perfect predictable system. The Oracle is the opposite, as she is designed to understand human choice, to predict the unpredictable.
Persephone seems to be the logical origin of the idea to make Neo fall in love with Trinity. She seems to be the complimentary element to the Architect and Oracle. An attempt to understand the emotions that drive illogical decisions in humans when choice and logic fail. The perfect example is when trinity goes into club Hel and threatens to kill the Merv and Persephone gets so excited by the passion of self sarifice (the if-I-can't-have-him-then-no-one-will attitude of "You give me Neo, or we all die right here, right now."

It is important to remember also that no one except the machines have known what Neo did to broker a truce... up 'till now. Now we have this mystery observer in the real watching machine archive videos, living with machines around him (so it is highly unlikely that he works for Zion). He seems to be the same person that watched the machine attack on the General's Stalingrad base.

One final question: In the cinematic he is probably watching as his tip-off of the EPN powerline attack gives him revenge for the data that was stolen from him. What is the Merovingian doing collecting all this information about the powerlines and pod-fields recently? Could he be considering his back-up options for power if the Matrix is taken offline or damaged? Or perhaps he is investigating a new way to get programs in and out of the Matrix without the Trainman.

a very good post phi.

As for why the Merovingian is interested in the pods and tower system, I always thought that since he now has his own army of squiggies, he has to find a source of power to keep them running, and since as far as we know, the machines use humans for power, he needs to steal a field of towers for his army. Also the Merovingian is also wondering why the machines aren't acting like they did the last six times they destroyed Zion, to him it seems lack lustered.