Code shock - do something with it!

I think this is fine as it is. any change to this ability and you will get the CR 1 zerg tactics back but they were meant to be doing a Balance anyway so im sure they will check over this.

This was if not the Most annoying an Annoying ability in cr 1 i can see the effects of it now,

Example.

Player 1 Uses Codeshock on Player 2.

Player 3 Redux's With all them Debuffs its pretty much Auto-hit.

Same for any required state Moves.. This is just like the Ravager downgrade has a long reuse but the effects of it being used are good for that little while.

What does everyone feel about suplex effects lasting 3 times longer than code shock, even though code shock is right at the end of the tree path??

What does everyone feel about suplex effects lasting 3 times longer than code shock, even though code shock is right at the end of the tree path??

Mkt has had enough nerfs.. i dont think it needs anymore

And you know aswell as alot of CR1 players that upgrading Codeshock is gonna be a bad move.

Please stop labelling your threads with "Fix it" im starting to think you are Swimming.

Sphairo wrote:

What does everyone feel about suplex effects lasting 3 times longer than code shock, even though code shock is right at the end of the tree path??

Mkt has had enough nerfs.. i dont think it needs anymore

And you know aswell as alot of CR1 players that upgrading Codeshock is gonna be a bad move.

Please stop labelling your threads with "Fix it" im starting to think you are Swimming.

supremegonkage wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

What does everyone feel about suplex effects lasting 3 times longer than code shock, even though code shock is right at the end of the tree path??

Mkt has had enough nerfs.. i dont think it needs anymore

And you know aswell as alot of CR1 players that upgrading Codeshock is gonna be a bad move.

Please stop labelling your threads with "Fix it" im starting to think you are Swimming.

You sir miss the point entirely, she was implying that the timer on Code Shock should be increased to match Suplex, not Suplex be nerfed into line with Code Shock

Mkt has had enough nerfs.. i dont think it needs anymore

Please stop labelling your threads with "Fix it" im starting to think you are Swimming.

I covered this a while ago in a discussion about sneak openners but I will reiterate here.

Abilities are based on a formula that derives its ultimate level requirement. What does this mean?

• Inner Strength cost
• DPS
• Duration
• Reuse
• Number of Secondary effects and durations

All play a part in determining the ultimate level of an ability. If you increase one aspect a different one needs to lowered, its all a balance.

Okay, let's take alook at this ability;

Code shock
IS cost: 56
Reuse timer: 60 seconds (1 minuite)
Effects: Stun, daze, stagger, offbalance, confuse - 5 secs

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This ability, really need's to have its effects legnthened. The problem is not only does it use 56 IS (which is ALOT), the states do not stay on long enough for you really to do anything with it.  Also, the reuse is waaaaay too long, 1 minuite for a few seconds? It renders the ability useless at the moment, hence why no-one uses it, like, ever. Let's take a look at a similar ability, bearing in mind code shock requires you to be level 47.

Suplex:
IS cost: 50
Reuse timer: 38 secs
Effects: Stagger, daze, off balance - 15 seconds

You need to be 27 to use this ability, and it's halfway down the tree compared to code shock, similar effects, but look at the reuse timer and effect time legnths, they are three times that of the code shock ability. WHY??????

Please increase the effect timer to make it useable again! ( Comments and thoughts appreciated as always   )

spha x

Good points, and while we're looking at this let's look at the rest of hacking where one can hit with an ability such as Code Shock, Area Disruption or Freeze System and then drop up to like 6 DoT's on an oponent only to take flight while the target rots. My opinion, they redid some of the timers on MKT a while back, they should do the same for the family timer on DoT's unless they want to start giving out wands and Wizard hats as enhanced apparel.

 -DesperAuto

Defective wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

Okay, let's take alook at this ability;

Code shock
IS cost: 56
Reuse timer: 60 seconds (1 minuite)
Effects: Stun, daze, stagger, offbalance, confuse - 5 secs

---

This ability, really need's to have its effects legnthened. The problem is not only does it use 56 IS (which is ALOT), the states do not stay on long enough for you really to do anything with it.  Also, the reuse is waaaaay too long, 1 minuite for a few seconds? It renders the ability useless at the moment, hence why no-one uses it, like, ever. Let's take a look at a similar ability, bearing in mind code shock requires you to be level 47.

Suplex:
IS cost: 50
Reuse timer: 38 secs
Effects: Stagger, daze, off balance - 15 seconds

You need to be 27 to use this ability, and it's halfway down the tree compared to code shock, similar effects, but look at the reuse timer and effect time legnths, they are three times that of the code shock ability. WHY??????

Please increase the effect timer to make it useable again! ( Comments and thoughts appreciated as always ">  )

spha x

Good points, and while we're looking at this let's look at the rest of hacking where one can hit with an ability such as Code Shock, Area Disruption or Freeze System and then drop up to like 6 DoT's on an oponent only to take flight while the target rots. My opinion, they redid some of the timers on MKT a while back, they should do the same for the family timer on DoT's unless they want to start giving out wands and Wizard hats as enhanced apparel.

 -DesperAuto

Freeze System is pacify, which breaks on damage, hence after the first DOT does its first tick of damage you can act again. Area Disruption is 3 seconds of stun, enough for 2 DOT's. Code shock has a cast timer so long I have a 5 o'clock shadow by the time it hits, hence you have plenty of time to break my shield (At least) or even IL me before I can get you with it. Either way, if the hacker manages to get a pile of DOT's on you then they earned it.

All of the code infections share family timers, Area infections are on different timers and same with Plague zones. This means if someone wants to stack a lot of DOT's quickly they have to drain a lot of IS (On using area infections), and straddle between Ravager and Destroyer.

Code Shock needs to have the States on it increased in time, it only works when used with teamwork, the hacker sure can't take advantage of Daze, Stagger or Off Balance.

Correct me if I'm wrong but with CR2, Hacker class was supposed to take a support role instead of a Pwn Wizardry role. We are afterall in The Matrix and not some kind of 1400's Mage oriented game. Last I check there were exactly 0 people typing into the air and creating damage or anything else for that matter in the movies or story pre game in general, but I'm sure you can come up with some kind of explanation for that one.

Bottom line, what I was trying to get at with my first post was this: Everyone gripes about MKT yet no one ever says anything about the debuffs that Hacker can give or the specials that can be run in succession with Martial Arts. It's always "OMg MKT is way too powerful!" Well guess what? You're getting hit by knives. It's going to hurt and slow you down. Someone attacks you when you don't expect it? Going to do a helluva a lot of damage. But instead of actually learning out to fight let's all just gripe about a tree on message boards instead of taking the time to learn tricks against other classes. It's muct easier that way On the few who choose that route I'm sure.

Parting word of advice: Log off the forums and into game. Find a better than average MKT, ask them to duel some and find what works. It is VERY beatable and I myself among others have shown that gunners can have a lot of success against MKT's.

You're welcome.

While it's a definite help in PvP if you have someone who needs a state, I'd advise increasing the timers to 9 seconds for all status effects.