Sati - machine importance?

20 posts · 2007-08-01 00:15:21 to 2007-11-08 15:41:34

#36300294903 08/01/2007 00:15:21 Sati - machine importance?
I'd like to start off saying I'm fairly disappointed that Sati has not been used as much as I thought. I was thinking she would play a much bigger role after Revolutions and in MxO, but so far she has not done anything worth writing home about, except being kidnapped by the General. I think the main problem is MxO's engine doesn't support the framework of a child, as it's been seen that she gets distorted like a rubber band. If they could fix this then it would help to introduce her in-game for more interaction. Here's hoping to more involvement in the future.

Anyway, I was completing machine archives and I stumbled across something Agent Gray said in 7.2.4 that made me think:



We know that without Sati, the weather patterns in the Matrix would go on a fritz, as we see this happen firsthand when the General kidnapped her, the weather was abnormal and even could cause bluepill attention. In this way, she is important to the machines to keep the weather patterns stable, but they also acknowledge that the Oracle is her tutor. Now, I'm sure the Oracle tutors her more than just the importance of the sky. Even so, it is strange that the Oracle could know of such techniques such as regulating the Matrix's weather patterns. We also see they acknowledge her improvement on the efficiency of her skills, but for what reason? Why would she need a tutor, and why would they be concerned over progression if her sole purpose was to raise the sun, to her it's a fairly simple task.

Again, just something I found interesting. As for her true purpose, that's up for debate and has been debated for a long time. I personally believe that one day she could possibly unscorch the sky in the real. Many people overlook a very important quote that the Oracle said not in the movies, but in the game Enter the Matrix, in saying "she's important to both our world and your world" (perhaps not word for word, but similar). By "your" she's basically saying the real world, but for what, and more importantly, how? Unfortunately, it seems unlikely now, especially with the truce being terminated recently.
#36300295050 08/01/2007 06:13:09 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Yeah it's a shame players can't talk to her in-game because of the distortion issue then we might know more about her. I think the Oracle could be tutoring her on how to be an Oracle like her for when she's gone, which I thought would come true when the General had an Oracle kill code. Seraph seems to be protecting Sati more than the Oracle and Seraph's philosophy is to 'protect that what matters most' so that shows how important Sati is.
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#36300295522 08/01/2007 22:47:37 Re:Sati - machine importance?
The next Oracle is a possibility, an another meaning to how she is going to be important for both worlds, however regulating the weather is just something odd, not something an Oracle would be concerned about or something the Oracle could do at will.
#36300298102 08/06/2007 14:51:44 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Another interesting dialog on Sati by Malphas:



There is a purpose behind the constant supply of cookies that the Oracle gives to Sati. We do not really know the programs that these cookies possess when eaten, however I am guessing it gives her knowledge of the Matrix, perhaps increasing the efficiency of Sati's own code, or even the Oracle transfering her own code to Sati.


#36300298675 08/07/2007 11:17:08 Re:Sati - machine importance?
No one else has any perspectives or interest in Sati?
#36300321262 09/12/2007 08:58:44 Re:Sati - machine importance?

"Absorbing an amount of Oracle code" gives me the impression of a re-write or a safety installation? An extension of power? Did Neo's "foresight" come from the cookie he ate or was it a natural foresight? >_>

 I dunno, instead of thinking of Sati I've gone off on other strands brought up by that line now >.<
#36300345581 10/30/2007 16:08:03 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Vallant wrote:

"Absorbing an amount of Oracle code" gives me the impression of a re-write or a safety installation? An extension of power? Did Neo's "foresight" come from the cookie he ate or was it a natural foresight? >_>

 I dunno, instead of thinking of Sati I've gone off on other strands brought up by that line now >.<
Very good topic Mr. Remag.

My suspicions about the Oracle are greater deepened by the knowledge or idea of the cookie codes Sati eats.

I have never thought about that before but now seeing what other characters have said during missions it makes me think the reason she hasn't done anything yet is because of The Oracle. Another form of control from the machine world if you will.

If she is her mentor or Tutor perhaps she is feeding her the codes she wants Sati to learn. She could still be the one who controls the Matrix (Oracle).

I have not till this day trusted the Oracle and I believe it's possible Sati could be a pawn in the greater scheme of things.

It is certainly a idea to explore.
#36300345699 10/30/2007 18:20:08 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Sati an Exile? The reason I ask is this, if we go from the movies the Oracle explains that a program exiles to the matrix to escape deletion. Now we see her father and mother boarding the train with her to the Matrix to drop her off there (as per the deal with the Merovingian). Since she controls the weather patterns would she have had that job in the Machine world? If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had? So now I am wondering if it really is Sati controlling the weather or someone else and she just "notices" the changes...
#36300345874 10/30/2007 23:37:21 Re:Sati - machine importance?
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had?


   Sati was sent into exile because she didn't have a purpose.  There was no Program that replaced her because there was nothing to replace.
#36300345929 10/31/2007 04:00:44 Re:Sati - machine importance?
I think the Oracle wants Sati as her predecessor and She's the one who will get the Oracle's eyes.
#36300347438 11/03/2007 09:22:45 Re:Sati - machine importance?
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Sati an Exile? The reason I ask is this, if we go from the movies the Oracle explains that a program exiles to the matrix to escape deletion. Now we see her father and mother boarding the train with her to the Matrix to drop her off there (as per the deal with the Merovingian). Since she controls the weather patterns would she have had that job in the Machine world? If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had? So now I am wondering if it really is Sati controlling the weather or someone else and she just "notices" the changes...
Rama Kandra and that chick MADE Sati out of love. Kinda. It was like 2 programs having a child that was superpowerful.

Here's another question, can all programs make children, and if so, will they all be powerful?

I refer you to the cinematic where The Merovingian and Persephone were going at it.
#36300347448 11/03/2007 10:45:03 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Othinn1 wrote:
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had?


   Sati was sent into exile because she didn't have a purpose.  There was no Program that replaced her because there was nothing to replace.

Sati didn't have a purpose... but now after seeing that weather patterns can be manipulated by her and the comments by Gray, it seems that the Machines deem that she does now have a purpose and that the Oracle has the ability to guide and watch over her.
#36300347495 11/03/2007 13:04:41 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Ok I understand that she was a product of two programs "love", there still is the question of how she is able to handle weather patterns. I'm not saying she can't do it (cause obviously she can).

Put it this way. If i was a program in charge of weather (and there has to be , because the Oracle said as much to Neo) Right now i would be a little puzzled as to why the weather is deviating from what I set it out to do.

Maybe being able to manipulate the weather patterns  is just one of her "talents'. In a way maybe she is the Machine version of a potential?

#36300347523 11/03/2007 14:42:57 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Croesus wrote:
Othinn1 wrote:
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had?


   Sati was sent into exile because she didn't have a purpose.  There was no Program that replaced her because there was nothing to replace.

Sati didn't have a purpose... but now after seeing that weather patterns can be manipulated by her and the comments by Gray, it seems that the Machines deem that she does now have a purpose and that the Oracle has the ability to guide and watch over her.


She didn't have a purpose when created because she wasn't created by the machines.  Rama Kandra and his wife created her, and then feared that the machines would find out about her and take her away from them (putting her to use...giving her a purpose).  That's why they were going to the trainman to try to get her moved out of the Matrix so she couldn't be taken away.

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#36300347685 11/04/2007 07:34:46 Re:Sati - machine importance?
Paige6 wrote:
Croesus wrote:
Othinn1 wrote:
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
If she exiled to the Matrix wouldn't another faster, efficient program be doing the job she had?


   Sati was sent into exile because she didn't have a purpose.  There was no Program that replaced her because there was nothing to replace.

Sati didn't have a purpose... but now after seeing that weather patterns can be manipulated by her and the comments by Gray, it seems that the Machines deem that she does now have a purpose and that the Oracle has the ability to guide and watch over her.


She didn't have a purpose when created because she wasn't created by the machines.  Rama Kandra and his wife created her, and then feared that the machines would find out about her and take her away from them (putting her to use...giving her a purpose).  That's why they were going to the trainman to try to get her moved out of the Matrix so she couldn't be taken away.

Actually they were afraid that the Machines would delete her, thats why they went to the Matrix so that she could live as an exile, although she seems to have been given a purpose so the Machines find her useful now.
#36300347725 11/04/2007 11:31:30 Re:Sati - machine importance?
So after all this time the Machines see some significance to Sati and the possible exploitation of her abilities. You know this reminds me of a suspicion I always had about the Machines and Exiles. I have always suspected that once a Program leaves the mainframe for the Matrix one of the first things they do is tamper with the code available to them. The Merovingian can provide certain perks (new shell, possible new skills) but the exile itself depending how advanced it is (or how old it is) is able to tamper with it's code. True there are limits, for example I have yet to see an Exile or Machine (with the exception of Smith but Ill get to that) fly. But we have examples now of Exiles going beyond their programming. The Twins come to mind , The Keymaker, Sati, The Trainman and more likely more Exiles go beyond the programming they were created with.

Machine programs loyal to the Architect however do not. An Agent for all its strength and skill will not change its code unless the Architect allows it. We saw the surprise on Neo's face in the movies when he faced off with three new Agents "huh....upgrades!" It lends me to believe that the Architect only creates new Agents and abilities when it is deemed necessary (Agent Pace for example).
About the only Agent that defied that arrangement was Smith.Not only was he able to tamper with his own code but also able to "steal" codes and abilities from other programs. He couldn't do this as an Agent , but as an Exile it was possible.

"Because of you I've changed, unplugged, a new man, so to speak like you apparently free."

I think the Machines see in Sati what they are not, she has gone beyond the programming of most or possibly any Exile or Machine. I think manipulating the weather patterns is just the beginning.


#36300347739 11/04/2007 12:37:03 Re:Sati - machine importance?
That only happened with smith because something in Neo had been overwritten or copied onto smith which made him Neo's Opposite, Smiths abilities came from the equation trying to balance itself out so trying to compare that with an exile altering it's own code is a little hard. I think that when a program is created like a normal computer you can install programs within so that they can do a particular job, So Sati may have had a program installed that allowed her to control the sun.
#36300347799 11/04/2007 15:25:54 Re:Sati - machine importance?


pack-hunter wrote:
That only happened with smith because something in Neo had been overwritten or copied onto smith which made him Neo's Opposite, Smiths abilities came from the equation trying to balance itself out so trying to compare that with an exile altering it's own code is a little hard. I think that when a program is created like a normal computer you can install programs within so that they can do a particular job, So Sati may have had a program installed that allowed her to control the sun.

Well in essence I suppose you can say that Smith was infused with that ability to copy himself due to Neo , but the possibility also  exists that Sati's  "power" could have been the combined elements of her parents (much like the way human genes work?).

As far as Smith gaining all those handy abilities due to Neo isn't necessarily accurate. The three glaring examples I can see is first when he infused with Seraph, before he was having a tough time trying to beat Neo in the park, later in the city he was pretty much even in fighting skill. With Sati he was able to manipulate the weather (hence the real bad storm at the end SMILEY ) and with the Oracle again at the last fight he knew how the fight would end (although  it could be said that Oracle , knowing what was going to happen  left that last revelation  as sort of a "trap", when Smith was trying to recollect what was going to happen before he "copied" Neo).
#36300349046 11/07/2007 02:54:32 Re:Sati - machine importance?

Just skimmed this thread, but here is what I thought/think:

Sati is good at fixing the sky and sunsets/sunrises. This will somehow be relevant to the Real world. Similar to Neo, her powers can cross from the Matrix to the Real. She can't do it yet, which is why the Oracle is "guiding" her like she guided Neo.

"But she's a program, she can't affect the Real."

Well, Neo was human and he affected the Matrix program and robots in the Real, so, c'mon, this is fiction.

Anyhow, if Rarebit and Sir Paul just skip to the part where Sati gets a new shell, adult, we can enjoy her new RSI and involvment in the story. Maybe she'll be hot like Pace or Ookami, too.

Two years of living the dream... and interpreting it! ~Variel
#36300350055 11/08/2007 15:41:34 Re:Sati - machine importance?
We have been made aware by comments by Malphas in an archive that the belief is that Sati's ingestion of cookies baked by The Oracle contains certain elements of her code or programs written by her.... could this 'installation' be the cause of Sati's new found abilities? Did The Oracle provide Sati with a purpose, to allow her to be safe from deletion?