[8.1.2] This war is their doing - Recursion - 7/25/07

The Machines called a Pre-Emptive strike. They attacked before we did a thing, because they feared that we might develop technology with which to attack.

You forget that the Machines haven't attacked Zion. 

Yet.

Illyria

Croesus wrote:

MetaDisc wrote:

A few shots of Pace...and myself, ReProgrammed......Not to mention a good shot of us taking down some zionite....And the shot of her checking me out. XD

I can understand if you post some of your own screenshots, or just a single shot if your argument requires it, but why re-post multiple screenshots from the initial post? If you really feel the need to, why don't you just post direct links the the images you are posting about?

Guess it requires more movement of the hand and fingers, which might strain people reading these treads, and besides, it would take a while to link the pictures one by one.

Neoteny wrote:

The Machines called a Pre-Emptive strike. They attacked before we did a thing, because they feared that we might develop technology with which to attack.

You forget that the Machines haven't attacked Zion. 

Yet.

Illyria

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

The Machines called a Pre-Emptive strike. They attacked before we did a thing, because they feared that we might develop technology with which to attack.

You forget that the Machines haven't attacked Zion. 

Yet.

Illyria

Oh so the machines are not attacking yet? Then why even terminate the truce? Things would have been just fine without them doing so, now that's preemptive on their part.Let us have our new home, I mean the Machines only control the rest of the entire world.

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Neoteny wrote:

The Machines called a Pre-Emptive strike. They attacked before we did a thing, because they feared that we might develop technology with which to attack.

You forget that the Machines haven't attacked Zion. 

Yet.

Illyria

So that wasn't the Machines trying to take down a Zion uplink? That isn't them hunting down Zion opertives in Downtown, Westview, and International? Agent Pace and Gray haven't told you all to kill any Zion on sight if they fail to surrender?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt sweetie.

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Wow the machines certainly lack subtlety when Pace comes out with comments like that eh..... Good job Machine operatives undergo a rigorous testing process to ensure a complete absence of intellect otherwise they might actually be able to read between the lines.

Zion knows full well the consequences of their illegal real estate scam, but obviously had to procede because they haven't any idea what to do with peace once they have it anyways. Humanity's great representative prove the human race is probably overdue for extinction and thought it was time to give the idea a push!

Machines claim this is an act or war, of course their own attempt to circumvent the truce via the their Cypherite pawns already demonstrates their own contribution to 'acts of war' along with their total contempt of their redpill 'associates' (if there is a credible reason for a redpill to still work for these clowns it certainly struggles to make itself known).

So these mightly inept giants look set to go head to head and restart that very same merry go around that has crashed and burned so many times before.

Isn't progress wonderful.... if only there was a more competent organisation to take charge.... oh wait......

Crowlos wrote:

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Zion is a City populated by Humankind, Humankind took the first strike on 01 which started the war. Zion is also known to have illegally hacked into the Matrix, freeing minds etc... These are attacks on a system the the Machines and bluepills require to live, so yes Zion, it's history and its present show that it is the aggressor.

Are you seriously telling me that New Zion built those fortifications, equipped itself with numerous APC's and gawd knows what else, just in case the Machines happen to pass by? As I have said before making such defences are an indication that you expect an attack.

Humankind has made a base which can cause heavy losses to the Machines if they attempt to penetrate it, thus allowing any attacks on the simulation, the surface, unarmed Machine craft etc... with a place to run back to.

I don't see this as too far gone, the threat is real. I have often remarked that the Human race is resourceful and clever,  but also stuck in their ways. It didn't take long for them to attack the Machines back at the dawn of AI, I don't think it'll take long for at least an element to attempt something now.

[Edit: Long winded passage about the origin of the war on 01, taken out because we all know how that started, and who started it]

Wow the machines certainly lack subtlety when Pace comes out with comments like that eh..... Good job Machine operatives undergo a rigorous testing process to ensure a complete absence of intellect otherwise they might actually be able to read between the lines.

Zion knows full well the consequences of their illegal real estate scam, but obviously had to procede because they haven't any idea what to do with peace once they have it anyways. Humanity's great representative prove the human race is probably overdue for extinction and thought it was time to give the idea a push!

Machines claim this is an act or war, of course their own attempt to circumvent the truce via the their Cypherite pawns already demonstrates their own contribution to 'acts of war' along with their total contempt of their redpill 'associates' (if there is a credible reason for a redpill to still work for these clowns it certainly struggles to make itself known).

So these mightly inept giants look set to go head to head and restart that very same merry go around that has crashed and burned so many times before.

Isn't progress wonderful.... if only there was a more competent organisation to take charge.... oh wait......

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Humanity has been a known aggressor against the Machines almost since sentient AI's appeared.  I certainly don't blame them for being concerned that there's a new armed city out there, or for taking precautions against any threats to the system from spies or traitors among their redpill operatives.

Illyria 

Croesus wrote:

Crowlos wrote:

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Zion is a City populated by Humankind, Humankind took the first strike on 01 which started the war. Zion is also known to have illegally hacked into the Matrix, freeing minds etc... These are attacks on a system the the Machines and bluepills require to live, so yes Zion, it's history and its present show that it is the aggressor.

Are you seriously telling me that New Zion built those fortifications, equipped itself with numerous APC's and gawd knows what else, just in case the Machines happen to pass by? As I have said before making such defences are an indication that you expect an attack.

Humankind has made a base which can cause heavy losses to the Machines if they attempt to penetrate it, thus allowing any attacks on the simulation, the surface, unarmed Machine craft etc... with a place to run back to.

I don't see this as too far gone, the threat is real. I have often remarked that the Human race is resourceful and clever,  but also stuck in their ways. It didn't take long for them to attack the Machines back at the dawn of AI, I don't think it'll take long for at least an element to attempt something now.

[Edit: Long winded passage about the origin of the war on 01, taken out because we all know how that started, and who started it]

This is the part that Zion doesn't seem to understand.  Either they don't know, they don't care, or they cannot comprehened.

I'm sorry, but wasn't it part of the Truce that the Machines would not attack us? So... what was wrong with creating a manual system ensuring that they would not attack us?

Don't attempt to penetrate New Zion, and they won't die. Was it a statement that we may have expected them to terminate the Truce and attack us? Yeah, it was. Were we wrong to fear such a thing? After all, it's come true, hasn't it?

Satta wrote:

Croesus wrote:

Crowlos wrote:

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Zion is a City populated by Humankind, Humankind took the first strike on 01 which started the war. Zion is also known to have illegally hacked into the Matrix, freeing minds etc... These are attacks on a system the the Machines and bluepills require to live, so yes Zion, it's history and its present show that it is the aggressor.

Are you seriously telling me that New Zion built those fortifications, equipped itself with numerous APC's and gawd knows what else, just in case the Machines happen to pass by? As I have said before making such defences are an indication that you expect an attack.

Humankind has made a base which can cause heavy losses to the Machines if they attempt to penetrate it, thus allowing any attacks on the simulation, the surface, unarmed Machine craft etc... with a place to run back to.

I don't see this as too far gone, the threat is real. I have often remarked that the Human race is resourceful and clever,  but also stuck in their ways. It didn't take long for them to attack the Machines back at the dawn of AI, I don't think it'll take long for at least an element to attempt something now.

[Edit: Long winded passage about the origin of the war on 01, taken out because we all know how that started, and who started it]

This is the part that Zion doesn't seem to understand.  Either they don't know, they don't care, or they cannot comprehened.

I'm sorry, but wasn't it part of the Truce that the Machines would not attack us? So... what was wrong with creating a manual system ensuring that they would not attack us?

Neoteny wrote:

Satta wrote:

Croesus wrote:

Crowlos wrote:

Since when has Zion been the known aggressor, they never have been and fortifying themselves to strike, are you serious, like I said this is about them regaining control that they lost.

Zion is a City populated by Humankind, Humankind took the first strike on 01 which started the war. Zion is also known to have illegally hacked into the Matrix, freeing minds etc... These are attacks on a system the the Machines and bluepills require to live, so yes Zion, it's history and its present show that it is the aggressor.

Are you seriously telling me that New Zion built those fortifications, equipped itself with numerous APC's and gawd knows what else, just in case the Machines happen to pass by? As I have said before making such defences are an indication that you expect an attack.

Humankind has made a base which can cause heavy losses to the Machines if they attempt to penetrate it, thus allowing any attacks on the simulation, the surface, unarmed Machine craft etc... with a place to run back to.

I don't see this as too far gone, the threat is real. I have often remarked that the Human race is resourceful and clever,  but also stuck in their ways. It didn't take long for them to attack the Machines back at the dawn of AI, I don't think it'll take long for at least an element to attempt something now.

[Edit: Long winded passage about the origin of the war on 01, taken out because we all know how that started, and who started it]

This is the part that Zion doesn't seem to understand.  Either they don't know, they don't care, or they cannot comprehened.

I'm sorry, but wasn't it part of the Truce that the Machines would not attack us? So... what was wrong with creating a manual system ensuring that they would not attack us?

Again, you fail to realize further complications that can arise from merely just "ensuring you don't get attacked." If Zion Command truly believed that, then there is no need for New Zion, unless some act of aggression will be taking place shortly, in which New Zion was the main reason for being built. We shall see.

Reasons be damned, that's the truth of the matter, isn't it? Now, you can guess at motivation all you like, but the rules aren't broken until they're broken, and we didn't do anything to break the rules, and all you're doing is guessing. Because they made the pre-emptive strike, and now anything goes.

They didn't give us a chance, don't you see that? They automatically assumed the worst, and launched a war.

 Was it a statement that we may have expected them to terminate the Truce and attack us? Yeah, it was. Were we wrong to fear such a thing? After all, it's come true, hasn't it?

It came true because Zion made it come true.  Your leaders knew the Machines would view the construction of New Zion as a breach of the truce -- whether you plan to launch an attack from there or not. 

Illyria