Why the machines don't trust "New Zion".

4 posts · 2007-07-14 18:25:00 to 2007-07-15 22:47:00

#36300283073 07/14/2007 18:25 Why the machines don't trust "New Zion".
Ever since the Truce has broken, people have asked why the machines are having a hard time accepting "New Zion" and why the Truce was broken over it.  While it may be true that New Zion was a defensive maneuver on part of Zion, it neverless worries the machines, and personally I don't blame them.  Given the past actions of humans as a whole towards the machines, it's no wonder why the prefer to keep Zion under watch with sentinels. 

Let's go back to the year 2500 AD, when mankind first created A.I.  Man has made AI in their likeness and decided to put them into a life of servitude.  Man used machines as slaves and treated them as such.  When a machine known as B1-66ER decided that he didn't want to be deactivated by his owners, and thus killing them in self defense, he was found guilty of murder and deactivated anyways.  This was the first mistake of mankind, because B1-66ER showed that he was a conscious fully functional being, but because he was considered as second class, he was killed, all because he wanted to live.  Soon after, mankind all around the world began deactivating machines and dumping them into mass graves, machines were killed in the most inhumane way possible, with sledgehammer, guns, and were torn apart.  Mankind has committed genocide against the machine race. 

For the machines that did escape the genocide, they sought a place to call their own, a place called 01, which rest in the cradle of civilization.  01 grew and prospered, and soon it started competing against mankind in an economic battle.  Because the machines were more efficient, they were able to turn out better product at a faster rate, the result was that 01 currency climbed like a rocket, while mankind's currency fell like a rock.  What was mankind response to this?  They blockaded 01 and refuse to let it transfer any business in or out of it's city. 

However, the machines were still hopeful, they came to the U.N. and presented a plan to where man and machines can live together in harmony, as equals, in a civil manner.  Mankind's response to this was 01 denial into the U.N.  Mankind then began to bomb 01 with nuclear weapons.  However, the machines were not affected by the heat and radiation from the bombs, and finally the machines started fighting back.  The first man/machine war has started. 

As 01 expanded it's borders into man's territory, mankind was getting desperate, as a last resort, they decided to block out 01 only source of energy, the sun.  Operation Dark Storm was a military operation by man to block out the sun, thus cutting off 01 only source of energy.  Thus did mankind become the architect of it's own demise.  Mankind desperately tried to fight off the machine invasion, but it was useless, even in wartime the machines were too powerful, and too efficient.  Soon, near the end of the 21th century, the machines has won the war. 

Even after defeating mankind, the machines realized that they still needed man, because humans provided an endless source of energy.  Humans needed the machines too, because the earth is now barren and uninhabitable.  As a result, a new form of relationship was formed through The Matrix.  The machines gave mankind a new home, a home where they could live their day to day lives, while the machines feed off of their energy. 

For awhile it was good, but then through the actions of Neo, a human from the human city Zion brokered a new deal with the machines, a deal where man and machines can once again live side by side together in peace, without the need of The Matrix.  The machines agreed to the terns and The Truce was born. 

Two years after The Truce was born, it was broken again, because Zion relocated to a 'safer' area.  Zionist wonder why the machines would be upset about this, given the fact that the machines have tried everything it could do to peacefully co-exist amongst the human, they have always been shot down, or it wasn't good enough, or the humans wanted more, or they wanted to be in control, th possibilities and reasons are endless.  Given the fact that humans were the first to kill a machine that only wanted to live, to commit genocide, to blockade, to drop nuclear bombs, and block out the machines only means of power, yea I wouldn't like the idea of New Zion either. 
#36300283400 07/15/2007 10:08 Re:Why the machines don't trust "New Zion".
Illyria22 wrote:

Let me rephrase.  The Machines will not want humans to live as equals to them until they believe humans are capable of it...that humans won't take the first chance they get to strike out at the Machines or try to destroy them all again.  So far, we have not proven this to the Machines, so they are still wary.

Illyria


Humanity could never possably prove this if the machines never give us a chance to. The machines should either allow us to build our own defensive capabilties or destroy their own...then see what happens. Then it becomes humanity's move and what we do or don't do will be all the prove the machines need. Of course the machines would need to be sure that humanity doesint have a justifiable reason to attack the machines. You know...like other then the whole judging every individual human being as guilty of wanting to destroy the machines...life long imprisonment...gah the list is so overwhelmingly long I'm just gonna stop here.

"Live as equals to them" ??? I don't know if you ment it like this but it sounds like your putting them on some higher ethical ground. Im not saying humans are perfect but ignoring how machines treat us for a minute and lets take a look at how they treat each other. Deleation for any program that is judged obsoleat. I hold the existance of the entire exile population as evidence of exactly how ethical the machines can be...look at how the machines treated Smith when neo first (or second if you count the fight in the subway) destroyed him, attempted deleation. Or poor Sati...there is no justification for killing or deleating her.

((Does anyone else find it odd that when humanity first nuked 01 the machines survived the "heat and radiation" AND the emp that is given off by a nuke blast? But now days emp is like their greatest weakness.))

#36300283635 07/15/2007 17:00 Re:Why the machines don't trust "New Zion".

From what I understand, even if the machines were created before 1999, it still took them around 200 years to perfect the Matrix, correct? And they reinserted everyone into the Matrix without knowledge of the war (and presumably "before" it happened)? Another thing that kind of bugs me about the power plants is births. If it's all in their minds, how do the women give birth? I don't suppose the Machines go around artificially inseminating them.

How do the Machines expect to be equal if the Humans won't accept the Matrix as their home? They need to survive as well for equality. And I think for this type of equality, Zion and the Machines would need a complete cease-fire, and for Zion to let the machines deem who is fit for expulsion of the Matrix. But I'm sure that wouldn't work either.

#36300283786 07/15/2007 22:47 Re:Why the machines don't trust "New Zion".
That's five centuries. 500 years. half a millennium.

50 years is half a century.

And Morpheus was only living circa 2199 in the real. Someone should really draw out a timeline. I'm sure there's quite a few inconsistancies.