How to you feel about the fall of The General?

#36300273061 07/02/2007 05:17:08 How to you feel about the fall of The General?

It was just something that popped into my head about how The General's been handled the last couple of subchapters.

What started out as THE bad guy, the 'biggest threat to zion since the war', the one who had been behind pretty much all the troubles inside the Matrix, the arch villain of the pre-written storyline kinda lost all his standing in a long drawn out crippling defeat.

Personally i think it was quite a sad way to handle the character. I mean, yes he was obviously gonna be defeated but for such a build up it was far too easy and one sided. He had absolutely no up points after the peak of 6.3. His access points, his choppers, his stealth, his communications were all getting pwnd by the Machines. He was getting pushed into a deadly corner with the Merv, having to rely upon him more and more. Zion were off kicking *CENSORED* with uber Seraph. Then he was utterly destroyed in the real and made to take a final weak escape straight into the clutches and direct control of the Frenchman.

I dunno, like i said, i just feel it was too one sided and not in tune with the seriousness his character was handled in the past.

I cant speak for everyone but after the big foreboding 'i'm bringing this house of cards down' speech and first appearence of the eilite commandos in 6.2 i was ready for a difficult struggle to save the Matrix. Instead everything about that got devaluated far too quickly. Especially the elites who just got used as 'normal enemies'. I say there shouldnt have been any 1 or 2 chev versions of them and they'd act as the 'leaders' of the normal commandos. That wouldve kept their integrity as deadly fighters instead of more cannon fodder.

But yeah, just some feedback for the future and points for community discussion. SMILEY

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#36300273063 07/02/2007 05:20:45 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

yeah, that and the fact that if someone trips on a rock, the General probably put it there.

#36300273065 07/02/2007 05:22:53 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

He left with a whimper not a bang, that is for sure. There is suggestion/hope for him to have some influence in the future....as he is really the first legitimately 'matrixy' character the game has introduced I hope we haven't seen the last of him.

#36300273067 07/02/2007 05:28:13 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

He left with a whimper not a bang, that is for sure. There is suggestion/hope for him to have some influence in the future....as he is really the first legitimately 'matrixy' character the game has introduced I hope we haven't seen the last of him.

Yeah.. Unless he gets deleted or something he'll always come back with some crazy plot to deceive us.. Maybe next time it won't be us tho.

#36300273074 07/02/2007 05:39:20 How to you feel about the fall of The General?

Well keeping in mind he's completely powerless now the Merv has remote control over his forces. As it stands he's a helpless puppet.

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#36300273081 07/02/2007 05:43:22 How to you feel about the fall of The General?

cloudwolf wrote:

Well keeping in mind he's completely powerless now the Merv has remote control over his forces. As it stands he's a helpless puppet.

Maybe, but he's still alive. He seemed to not have a problem mustering commandos last week, either. Of course, not as many as there used to be.
I'll bet he has another base somewhere.

#36300273083 07/02/2007 05:46:22 How to you feel about the fall of The General?

How do I feel about the fall of the General?
Well, I like it, I think it's good!

#36300273104 07/02/2007 06:52:10 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

It's handled the same way as everything else: All with too much comic influence.
MXO is missing a coolness factor that the movies did have.

Fix: Replace humour with more cold- and coolness.

#36300273118 07/02/2007 07:51:12 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

I'm sadder now than when i first posted...come to think of it that was the only plot thread that still interested me.

Like Batman Begins maybe the time is ripe for a reimagining of the game...

Introduce (cus he hasnt appeared before) a proper Morpheus, let that iconic and charismatic figure lead a storyline that is about man and machine trying to forge a new future togther.....a real continuation of the events after Revolutions, alternatives to human power, food convoys, allcations of resources, plugging powerleaks, simulation within the matrix..... Rival orgs should redefine themselves, Meros out for themsleves power wealth and corruption in spades, Cypherites wanting to revert back to the old order - they should want to force the machines to put man back in the pods (they should wrest control of the agents program for themselves) and another human revenge themed organisation that just wants out (not EPN which would be an insult to the original movies). These three organisations should be the antagonists to the central story protagonists of the core truce and they should lead the threats to the matrix, no need to introduce a stream of new characters except in that some may be used/abused or tainted to one orgs ends over another. Events should use players to forge conflicts rather than taking one org and generating a load of npc's (npc's should be used to balance encounters and support or place a bias on where the story goes (when there arent choices). Generate benefits and consequences to being in an organisation (its not always good news but you should be made to feel you belong).....

Meh I think I posted all that 3 years ago SMILEY

#36300273138 07/02/2007 08:37:26 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

Yea, sadly it is very often that some fictional storyline evolves differently than you had expected.

Maybe you should just face the truth that lots of things are going to be differently than you'd like to be. After all, it's Rarebit's and Chadwick's story... not yours. You can write your own if you're so enthusiastic.

#36300273157 07/02/2007 09:00:12 How to you feel about the fall of The General?

I think that much is obvious enough.

But Tytanya's idea is much more in keeping with what I expected to follow on from the end of the trilogy. The Morpheus we saw in the game was not the Morpheus from the films. He had a complete personality transplant, baring in mind not only his actions before Neo met the Architect, but afterwards as well.

Meh ... I'm not going to get sucked in, not this time.

#36300273211 07/02/2007 10:18:14 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

I don't know. A rogue program like the General really couldn't establish much of a base on Earth without the machines knowing about it. The machines are, after all, the rulers of the planet, and according to the Matrix canon, they are everywhere. Nothing stands up to 01, not even old renegade parts of 01. I didn't really feel like his story was mishandled - I wouldn't expect the General to be a stellar fighter, himself, so no big final battle necessary. Now considering his name, he probably could have come up with better tactical and strategic plans than I ever saw from him, but considering what he did, the end was justified. The machines put their resources to the task of outmaneuvering a General and succeeded easily.

#36300273404 07/02/2007 16:21:16 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

Fatmop wrote:

I don't know. A rogue program like the General really couldn't establish much of a base on Earth without the machines knowing about it.

already did once...

#36300273532 07/02/2007 20:09:14 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

I'm kinda undecided on this one. I would've expected to see some great manoeuvres or strategic thinking but on the other hand, we didn't even realise he was behind everything for quite some time. His demise may seem drawn-out and anti-climactic but remember how everyone complained when Anome was taken out in a single cinematic? All things considered, while I'm not 'thrilled' by events, I'm pretty satisfied with the way things went down.

#36300273545 07/02/2007 20:45:12 Re:How to you feel about the fall of The General?

I can't help feeling a sense of foreboding in seeing a program that powerful get taken out the way he did. I'm hoping this isn't the last we see of him, but I can't help wondering.