So how far does The Matrix extend?

#36300257459 06/10/2007 10:51:28 So how far does The Matrix extend?

In the movies and games we only see the Magacity, though we are encouraged to believe that the Matrix simulates the whole Earth, especially by Smith's speech in the first movie (the one where Smith compares humanity to a virus). But how much further does it extend? By 1999, Humanity was supposed to have visited the moon. Is the moon simulated as well? If humans could fly to Mars, would it be there to explore, or is it just another program created so that human's think they can see if through telescopes, etc?

Just thought I'd bring it up.

#36300257524 06/10/2007 11:29:37 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

A completely epic, rock opera thread here.

A thread about Neo that moves into the area of "how big the matrix is" (from what I can remember) here.

I can't find the link, but Rarebit was recently asked about this in one of the ask a dev threads, too. maybe zeroone506 can find it, i tried and failed miserably.

#36300257604 06/10/2007 12:22:16 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

If you open up the atlas and zoom all the way out it says that Mega City IS the matrix. The simulation is an illusion, you can be made to think anything the machines wish you to but you where always in Mega City before your awakening. Well that is assuming that the "one" cycles where not closer than we had imagined, but that is a canon question for the writers that we could only speculate on.

#36300261077 06/14/2007 04:13:49 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

The Moon could be just another Constructor Program made by the Matrix. Maybe the NASA it's just another way to control our external reality

#36300313485 08/29/2007 19:10:41 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

sonofthree wrote:

If you open up the atlas and zoom all the way out it says that Mega City IS the matrix. The simulation is an illusion, you can be made to think anything the machines wish you to but you where always in Mega City before your awakening. Well that is assuming that the "one" cycles where not closer than we had imagined, but that is a canon question for the writers that we could only speculate on.

if the megacity is the matrix then how did neo end up in the mountains 500 miles out of the city. It couldnt be a construct or anything because he was able to fly back to the city, after seeing that I assumed that the matrix was an imitation of the entire world.

#36300313496 08/29/2007 19:51:55 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Remember Neo went to the moutains to..not in Mega City, it was however many miles due south.

#36300317658 09/05/2007 21:20:31 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

That was in the last version of the simulation.

#36300317741 09/06/2007 01:41:14 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

For the sake of our little game universe, the Megacity is the Matrix and we can go to four Districts there. Period. For the sake of Fanfic, Player Events and RP, mention the world. No one should even call you on it and if they do, mention Morpheus at Heathrow Airport, the Arabic alphabet on Neo's screen, Japan in the Animatrix and etc. At the very least bluepills and redpills know about the rest of the world even if they've never been there. My own background details, written when MxO was a gleam in Ubisoft's eye, mention a post-college trip thru Europe to find myself, which led to paranormal encounters and my bluepill life chasing after exiles.

#36300317800 09/06/2007 04:23:13 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Wait.. that didn't actually happen to you?

#36300317806 09/06/2007 04:30:05 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Now that would be telling! The Europe part didn't really happen to me. The paranormal parts... well, that's between me and my therapist. Hey, has anyone actually seen my therapist lately?

#36300332751 10/03/2007 19:24:09 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

PS10N wrote:

For the sake of our little game universe, the Megacity is the Matrix and we can go to four Districts there. Period. For the sake of Fanfic, Player Events and RP, mention the world. No one should even call you on it and if they do, mention Morpheus at Heathrow Airport, the Arabic alphabet on Neo's screen, Japan in the Animatrix and etc. At the very least bluepills and redpills know about the rest of the world even if they've never been there. My own background details, written when MxO was a gleam in Ubisoft's eye, mention a post-college trip thru Europe to find myself, which led to paranormal encounters and my bluepill life chasing after exiles.

Sanskrit is supposedly where alot of encryption ideas originated from. You could easily explain the Arabic alphabet as being another form of code implemented into certain humans and programs for the sake of the simulation. Similar to how you could have someone in the Mega City who knows how to build and operate flintlock pistols. Certain things can be programmed into your 'memory.'

There's a certain realm of believability in the Matrix. Someone with bestial features lurking in an alleyway could be a Lupine. However, I wouldn't conjure the Keebler Elves as an Exile off-shoot. That would stretch the possibilities a bit too far.

Additionally, Neo being in the mountains doesn't mean that there's a whole world within the Matrix. The mountains could just be a desolate area in-between the Merovingian's chateau and the Mega City. Chances are we didn't get to see Neo's entire flight from point A to point B because it was a rather boring one - not even an in-flight movie.

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#36300338480 10/16/2007 22:14:38 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

There are other cities/countries in the Matrix. in MxO, there is only the city (i would assume that is for game mechanic purposes), but there have been side plots directed and co-written by the Wachowski's about other countries. however, i would assume the country is an isolated area, seeing as how an agent talking to a blue pill stated something like, "the London network crashed. it'll be up an running in just a few moments."

so i would assume that maybe not the ENITRE world is simulated, but main areas, and possibly the same areas re-coded/repainted. like the Desert, as seen in another Wachowski bros. piece.

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#36300338571 10/17/2007 05:17:15 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Although the Megacity extends many many miles, every city has outskirts. From any point in MegaCity you can eventually see the end of the city and beyond (that's why the mountains are there, to simulate the surroundings of MegaCity, eventually the Merv built a Mansion there for various reasons, like inaccesibility from bluepills and thus inaccessibility from Agents). However, whatever is beyond the city is kind of like "The Truman show". Any bluepills claiming to be grown up in another country and immigrated into MegaCity is actually a lie composed by the Machines. Commuters from other "towns", transports, flights to and from, is all manipulated to simulate a closed space. If a buepill goes on a trip to another country, his memory is manipulated to make him think he has done that. It's the same (as we also know from an LE) as birthdates or any other kind of dates. Although the amount of data that has to be manipulated is staggering, it is, however, not an impossibility considering that the Machines can simulate a "perfect" reality.
Eventually some bluepills find out that dates are manipulated (something along the lines of "I thought I did that in that year and not that") or that a trip to another country is more like a dream than what really happened. Although there hasn't been any RP that is based on that, it is however a plausible cause for rejecting the reality of the Matrix.

PS10N wrote:

For the sake of our little game universe, the Megacity is the Matrix and we can go to four Districts there. Period. For the sake of Fanfic, Player Events and RP, mention the world.

The game restrictions come as real as they come. However, from what I said we can assume that leaving the city actually does not really happen, to bluepills anyways. In RP you could say you left the city, however, we have no idea how the outskirts and outer suburbs and stuff of MegaCity look like. Credibility of such stories come rather low or they're rather high, because we don't actually know. The same goes for RW RP with hovercrafts, Zion, New Zion, 01, the fields, etc. Whatever story we base on assumptions, credibility of stories can only come from within the game-world Megacity. And those stories credibility is depending on how those are RP'd inside of known boundaries.

Well, that's what I think, anyways.

#36300342599 10/25/2007 04:43:16 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Based on what Agent Pace said in one of the post-Unlimit issues of the Sentinel about Caboclo's memories of Brazil, everything outside of Mega City is just planted, artificial information.

#36300342603 10/25/2007 05:02:23 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

Archangel wrote:

Based on what Agent Pace said in one of the post-Unlimit issues of the Sentinel about Caboclo's memories of Brazil, everything outside of Mega City is just planted, artificial information.

That tagged along with a "Ask the Devs" question awhile back Rarebit mentiond they he couldn't say how big the Matrix was exactly but that the majority of it was just of the Mega City the mountains, and little bit around the city. Sorry Euro's There is no Queen.
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#36300342954 10/25/2007 15:36:03 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

It may be of interest to note that I spotted a billboard the other day that mentioned 'Megaland'.

#36300344482 10/28/2007 23:06:55 Re:So how far does The Matrix extend?

GamiSB wrote:

Archangel wrote:
Based on what Agent Pace said in one of the post-Unlimit issues of the Sentinel about Caboclo's memories of Brazil, everything outside of Mega City is just planted, artificial information.
That tagged along with a "Ask the Devs" question awhile back Rarebit mentiond they he couldn't say how big the Matrix was exactly but that the majority of it was just of the Mega City the mountains, and little bit around the city. Sorry Euro's There is no Queen.
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Or a president, for that matter. Heh. All of the political figures are fabrication, then. Almost like real life.

This would make the most sense. It's the easiest to play off.

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#36300372671 12/18/2007 04:58:14 So how far does The Matrix extend?

technically the world is just based like a another dimension we have made, called cyberspace, its endless and can be whatever size things could be, for example.

in the matrix game.. there was an exploit where you could pass boundries, and if you check and try and run as far as you possibly can, you would look back and see megacity like seeing earth from outer space, surprisingly, there could be a god, and we are the slaves to the cyberspace,really farfetched but in no doubt of time people could do things just like the matrix.

Cyclaws wrote:

In the movies and games we only see the Magacity, though we are encouraged to believe that the Matrix simulates the whole Earth, especially by Smith's speech in the first movie (the one where Smith compares humanity to a virus). But how much further does it extend? By 1999, Humanity was supposed to have visited the moon. Is the moon simulated as well? If humans could fly to Mars, would it be there to explore, or is it just another program created so that human's think they can see if through telescopes, etc?

Just thought I'd bring it up.