[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

94 posts · 2007-06-01 19:44:43 to 2007-06-14 12:24:53

#36300251522 06/02/2007 12:25:19 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Havocide wrote:
RetroX wrote:
Haigen wrote:
Well this is certainly entertaining...
((Technically speaking should a LO be commenting on predomenlaly OOC discussion?
((I dont see why not. I mean aslong as its done IC SMILEY ))

(( Havo's term of IC = Getting more than just required info...... XD *hehe* ))
#36300251523 06/02/2007 12:26:01 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:
Kimri wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
No Im not going to shut up about it untill the faction that has put in the most work in any event to date sence the start gets some *CENSORED* credit. Might as well go friken Machine at least they can put forth the effort to congradulate there members and *CENSORED* they even get a gun and not some outdated harware or flashlight.

Gami, your faction might have been around the longest. Though I totaly think your being extremly selfish in this. Every faction on Syntax has taken part in the EPN events, not just your "group". Together as a team we have put alot of effort and work into this event. True EPN as a "whole" are under appreicated on Syntax. If you still think it is your faction on its own that is under appriecated then fine, but realise its not just your group, its others on Syntax too!

Oh your right. I'm totaly being selfish for asking for some credit after organizing countless meetings for the org when there was no LO, writeing up a manifeisto to bring the org together and get rid of the terrorsit half the people thought we shoudl be doing, being the faction in this event to do the most work in getting to where we are, makeing sure our LOs were updated with full reports for this and all other major ops and droping everything if they needed a hand even if it was an inconvence to us, being the only people from Syntax to activly defend EPN on DN1. Do I need to continue? Over a years worth of tears sweat and blood and not once have we asked untill now for some credit were we thought it was due and if you have a problem with it I have two words for ya.
My lord that sounds familer....I mean if you replaced EPN with mech, and syntax with Recursion....hmm...SMILEY
#36300251525 06/02/2007 12:29:08 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Avalod wrote:
Havocide wrote:
RetroX wrote:
Haigen wrote:
Well this is certainly entertaining...
((Technically speaking should a LO be commenting on predomenlaly OOC discussion?
((I dont see why not. I mean aslong as its done IC SMILEY ))

(( Havo's term of IC = Getting more than just required info...... XD *hehe* ))
(( Rofl, lets not go there again SMILEY  ))
#36300251538 06/02/2007 12:42:48 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
NightTrace wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
Kimri wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
No Im not going to shut up about it untill the faction that has put in the most work in any event to date sence the start gets some *CENSORED* credit. Might as well go friken Machine at least they can put forth the effort to congradulate there members and *CENSORED* they even get a gun and not some outdated harware or flashlight.

Gami, your faction might have been around the longest. Though I totaly think your being extremly selfish in this. Every faction on Syntax has taken part in the EPN events, not just your "group". Together as a team we have put alot of effort and work into this event. True EPN as a "whole" are under appreicated on Syntax. If you still think it is your faction on its own that is under appriecated then fine, but realise its not just your group, its others on Syntax too!

Oh your right. I'm totaly being selfish for asking for some credit after organizing countless meetings for the org when there was no LO, writeing up a manifeisto to bring the org together and get rid of the terrorsit half the people thought we shoudl be doing, being the faction in this event to do the most work in getting to where we are, makeing sure our LOs were updated with full reports for this and all other major ops and droping everything if they needed a hand even if it was an inconvence to us, being the only people from Syntax to activly defend EPN on DN1. Do I need to continue? Over a years worth of tears sweat and blood and not once have we asked untill now for some credit were we thought it was due and if you have a problem with it I have two words for ya.
My lord that sounds familer....I mean if you replaced EPN with mech, and syntax with Recursion....hmm...SMILEY
Yes I can now say that I know fully how you feel NT and I can't remember but if I gave you any crap for your complaints I take it all back and fully apologize.

#36300251586 06/02/2007 14:26:41 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
im starting to see why it takes zion so long to do anything what happend to takeing part beucase it was right the thing to do and not to get creidt people don't do the right thing so people say oh look they doing the right thing, they do the right thing because it right thing to do if they do for any other reasion they from a certain point of view they are not doing the right thing and derive the credit at all  (now if you followed that have a cookie)

people who look for credit in their actions are the ones who are least likely going to get it, all shouting is going to about it make it less likely for it to be given next time you do something and as looks like has allready happend make people laugh at you and provock(sp) you more.

now can we please get back on topic and stop havering a *CENSORED* popularity contest and found what the hell is going on   

#36300251605 06/02/2007 14:49:35 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Save me the moral BS please this goes far beyond doing the right thing because as it so happens the right thing when you have a group that has put in a year of solid hard work to your cause is to congradulate and thank them on just that. Something our current leadership has failed to do countless times not only for myself and my faction but for many others. If I wanted to be a glory hog this would have started after every event or I'd run my mouth off trying to suck up to whoever I could to get it. No this is simply because I just got tired of seeing the people in myf faction never getting the slightest pat on the back after working as hard as they did on this event and it was the staw that broke the camels back.

#36300251608 06/02/2007 14:58:20 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Unfortunantly, it seems that as time goes on, less thought is put into how rewards are handled. In some cases, its rather to the point, but other events its not. If a group puts in a ton of work like was obvioulsy was done during this event [pre-event puzzle solving etc], and then the event happens, and they make just as much of a presence during the event. Shouldnt the people who were putting in the time through RP/puzzles/etc be rewarded for their work vs somebody who just showed up right time right day?
#36300251663 06/02/2007 17:30:59 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

This is Captain Shi Xin Feng of the EPN HvCFT Rocinante speaking.

I was one of those who received a 'reward' for my involvement. Although, to be blunt, at the time, I felt like it was more of an effort to shut me up than it was of saying thanks. 

I have refrained from speaking on this matter because I wanted to think about the entire situation. Here is what I have determined.

On both sides of this issue, many people, including myself, are angry about how things have turned out. We have been making this known through the various channels of postings on the 'official RedPill message boards', directly to our Liaison Officers, and to each other. The reason for our ire? Disrespect. Utter disergard for our efforts.

Even so, I think that perhaps some of our anger is misdirected. Yes, we want acknowledgment from our leadership for having done a good job. But, more than that, I think we want respect from the people in our own organization. For them to acknowledge that they were there because we got them there. The operatives who jumped in at the last second and "got in on the fun" as it were, didn't even say "good work, guys" to any of those who really worked hard at this mission.

Instead, some of those people, notably Zionists, had the audacity to complain about us "hoarding" information. This, after we called a meeting with Zionists and EPN'ers alike to discuss this mission. We even requested a sit-down with Zion's Liaison Officer, only to be told by said LO that the Council had decreed that there would be no sharing of information between Zion and EPN. Yet they still had the gall to say we were hoarding info from them.

This was, ostensibly, a mission that was supposed to lead us to more information about Morpheus, if not directly to the man himself! I get the feeling that, somehow, that was just a diversion or misleading information; Morpheus was never going to be at the end of this 'bughunt'. 

What made matters worse, especially for me, is that our people put all that time and effort into following the clues (deciphering complicated messages, hunting down vague contacts, tracking (useless) truck locations, erroneous shipping invoices and manifests, and, not to mention, dealing with some glory-chasing fool who tried to make himself look official but really had nothing at all to do with this), only to have it end so incredibly anticlimactically; so absolutely worthless to us.

I didn't join EPN to fight security gaurds for someone's initials. If this is the kind of work we can expect in the future, I think I will have to forge my own way in this organization.

I am not here for glory or reward. EPN is my cause; it is what I believe in. I will bear this flag until I can no longer do so, even after there is no flag left to bear. And long after the EPN flag has turned to ashes and dust, this faction, E Pluribus Neo, will still stand for that which it stands for today: the Right to Choose and Freedom for those who choose it.

But mark my words. I will not allow my crew members to get shot up and nearly killed for "initials" or any other *CENSORED* clue to the whereabouts of Morpheus and I don't give a *CENSORED* who thinks it is important. I don't ask my people to stick a 6-inch steel spike in their heads daily and risk Agents and a whole slew of trigger-happy Redpills for worthless causes like this one has apparently turned out to be.

We will continue on as ordered. The Rocinante is still at the service of the Kid and the Neo's Hope. Let's just hope it is worthwhile service, eh?

#36300251699 06/02/2007 19:38:00 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

If you don't favor the task, don't do it. You think this is worthless? Let it go.

And don't do things expecting reward, you'll only end up feeling cheated. After all, if you're only doing it for reward and recognition, I'd believe the Merovingian's employ would be more fitting for you.

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

#36300251705 06/02/2007 20:07:10 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))
#36300251708 06/02/2007 20:16:51 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
You'll get recognition when you get results.
#36300251714 06/02/2007 20:57:07 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))


((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

#36300251717 06/02/2007 21:10:18 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


#36300251718 06/02/2007 21:15:21 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Neoteny wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))


((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))


((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

#36300251725 06/02/2007 22:19:07 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))


((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))



((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))


((...It's a clue to a continuing investigation. I don't see what you're angry about. I've been there and done that, myself. It is frustrating, and it is a pain in the *CENSORED*, but the solution is always out there to be found.

As for the headlamp quip, I will concede that that was a headstrong remark.

I suppose that was the natural "Don't *CENSORED* to me" defense kicking in, much like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids who live right next to the school griping about the long walk, when he used to have to walk uphill both ways in eight feet of snow to get there.

I must've been in *CENSORED* mode or something (mostly I think I read this in a hurry, and thought you were pissed off at the reward), but upon much reflection and re-reading, yeah, you have a valid point in requesting recognition for what you've done. I'm not too big to admit that.

It should be known, however, that the problem will only end if we all see it as a problem, and raise the issue at every occurrance. I guess that's the point I was trying to make earlier, though it was laced with hostility and italicized words.))

#36300251766 06/03/2007 01:10:38 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


Actually, it was said publicly that Steele did a good job in the event. It got lost no thanks to the 20+ idiots spamming the area chat channel during that event.
#36300251770 06/03/2007 01:19:54 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))


((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))



((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

In a sense, I had to agree with Neoteny just only on that first day we met up with Dromeus, in which you made a competition out of something we worked together on, i.e. "We got the most keys, so therefore, we win" line you just said, even though you didn't mean to make a competition out of this tiny little task. Some people are wondering why the EPN faction didn't get as much credit that they thought IMHO, it's just because there were a few instances of in-direct gloating, not to mention Gami had to bite off Havocide's head for not getting what the hell Gami wanted (i.e. We weren't able to get the customer's info from TengFei, and we had to settle for the order form), not to mention that Gami blamed Havocide for Kadar's death because Havocide had RL issues to take care of (something that I similarly had to do when it came to capturing Haigen, and this recent event), and lastly, constant communications problems.

I'm not taking sides on this argument at all, but it doesn't mean that either side is "Mr./Ms. Perfect." All I've seen is "This is so and so's fault that things never went the way we planned" and one party rubbing it in the other's faces. This is one reason why I never bother with the debates nor making IC posts at all.
#36300251825 06/03/2007 03:09:20 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Canbus wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))


((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))



((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

In a sense, I had to agree with Neoteny just only on that first day we met up with Dromeus, in which you made a competition out of something we worked together on, i.e. "We got the most keys, so therefore, we win" line you just said, even though you didn't mean to make a competition out of this tiny little task. Some people are wondering why the EPN faction didn't get as much credit that they thought IMHO, it's just because there were a few instances of in-direct gloating, not to mention Gami had to bite off Havocide's head for not getting what the hell Gami wanted (i.e. We weren't able to get the customer's info from TengFei, and we had to settle for the order form), not to mention that Gami blamed Havocide for Kadar's death because Havocide had RL issues to take care of (something that I similarly had to do when it came to capturing Haigen, and this recent event), and lastly, constant communications problems.

I'm not taking sides on this argument at all, but it doesn't mean that either side is "Mr./Ms. Perfect." All I've seen is "This is so and so's fault that things never went the way we planned" and one party rubbing it in the other's faces. This is one reason why I never bother with the debates nor making IC posts at all.
Throughout the event. Many people helped! Michael1 for instance, Dibol, SEPET, Kimri, KaziArmada, Vaith and many others that dont came to mind (just woke up) But I havent once seen them moaning. Now I know what the issue is and understand it, but what I wanted to mention is these people arnt complaining, they are looking at how we can move forward at trying to work out what these Initials, J.M. mean or stand for. It appears in faction chat often, or in tells to me from players who arnt in the faction.

We all do bloody hard in these events, and we all want to try and get something out of it. Quite frankly Il admit I walked away from the Lesig event on several occasions because I got told to fu*ck this and that or something along those lines. It made me feel like crap! I was trying to help! Gami I dont play this game to get that *CENSORED*! If this all means so much to you, fine, but dont take it out on others who are trying to help. It was blatently obvious you wanted to be the best out of the event, throughout the story. Oh and thanks for NOT sharing any info you got with most of us.
I didnt make this post to shout, but it was something that has been boiling inside of me since it happened, and wanted it out in the open how I felt.
#36300251873 06/03/2007 04:12:56 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
(( Okay this is a first I have seen Gami actually pissed over something that required alot of teamwork and yet recoignition is not where it would of or should of been at in some people's eyes. To be honest All im going to say is. Be Fuggin happy we even got to do teamwork on this scale and not give two schnicks about the reward.. Hell if i was rewarded something for hard work on a event like this if i worked hard nuff to earn it. Id basically give it back and say to keep the godamn thing basically cause it builds more conflict with favoritisim in some aspects. Look I know everyone went out in there own way to try and make this a good event. And we all should be proud it turned out pretty *CENSORED* good with minimum mech, cyph, or whomever the hell wishes to interfear on this events and not wish to be more and do more with the storyline in a way. Hell I really dont see why the LE's are even being givin freebies and such like these soemtimes. Isnt just getting to know more of the storyline and be a part let alone help make it progress good enough... *sigh* Guess it really isnt ))
#36300251944 06/03/2007 06:49:57 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
((Did all of this actually have to be here in the LE thread?  You guys have meetings don't you?  Maybe you should setup a meeting with your Liason's so you can get things smoothed out instead of filling the LE threads with this stuff.  Maybe have a meeting with only Faction Leaders in your Org Area so there is less spam and more cohesive conversations.  Yelling at eachother on the LE threads probably won't change anything and just ruins the threads for others.))
#36300251970 06/03/2007 08:00:25 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
As I said you can make me out to be a selfish bastard all you want but I am only speaking for my faction and attempting to get the credit it rightly has earned. If you feel cheated and left out because im not mentioning you then stand up for yourself Im not your baby sitter nor am I going to speak on your behalf. Yeah Dibol, SEPET and a few others worked hard I never said they didn't however my faction also worked hard and as there leader it's my palce to speak on there behalf when they have a problem. If Dibol or SEPET are fine with how things were handled thats cool because its up for them to decide. However my faction isn't cool with how it was handled and being the FL it's my job to be there voice in the matter.

#36300252227 06/03/2007 16:03:20 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Fryzool wrote:
((Did all of this actually have to be here in the LE thread?  You guys have meetings don't you?  Maybe you should setup a meeting with your Liason's so you can get things smoothed out instead of filling the LE threads with this stuff.  Maybe have a meeting with only Faction Leaders in your Org Area so there is less spam and more cohesive conversations.  Yelling at eachother on the LE threads probably won't change anything and just ruins the threads for others.))

 (( I Agree with Fryzool here, Don't ruin this Thread for everyone ese, disscuss this either with the Devs or your organisations Liasons, this just looks like flaming to others))
#36300252538 06/04/2007 02:41:54 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Skill wrote:
You'll get recognition when you get results.
I repeat.

What did you REALLY accomplish?  So far, all you've got is a couple of letters.
I'm sure more credit will be given for work done over the long months once this is resolved.
#36300252641 06/04/2007 07:50:26 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
((Thanks for this tread. I now understand the negative vibe directed at me by many during events leading up to this live event. I was one of many left "in the dark" during the events leading upto this, and now I understand why.

EPN, I love the idea, the cause, our leader, and the overall mission. I have died many times defending our name and group beliefs, however I am now questioning why I did in the first place. If we cannot get along as a community, it will be our demise, and I don't want to go down with that ship.

 I may be one person, however there are many of us new EPN initiates (in all factions) that will not stand for this kind of bickering, distrust, posturing, or otherwise behavior for too long.

As a new operative I look up to my lvl 50 comrades, however I too agree that these debates / arguments should be kept private, much like confedential information is kept from us new initiates to prevent other groups from taking advantage of it.  If I were a CYPH or Mech, I would honestly be using this open debate as fuel to help my ajenda.))

I am sorry I missed this event, and I am also sorry that it was the last straw for some. Regardless, I look up to many of you, and hope I can for a long time to come!

Vaith

New LVL 25 operative of Unus Somnium
EPN



#36300252642 06/04/2007 07:53:43 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


((The headlamp doesn't have a timer.))

TSR Eryk N.: The game is done. The service and support stopped.
#36300252682 06/04/2007 09:24:19 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Michael1 wrote:
GamiSB wrote:

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


((The headlamp doesn't have a timer.))
(( WELL DONE, Have some info...FFs was that really nessary?

Really guys, its over now we said what we had to say and now we can all get a long like one big happy gang bangSMILEY))
#36300252741 06/04/2007 10:48:42 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Michael1 wrote:
GamiSB wrote:

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


((The headlamp doesn't have a timer.))
((Kid's post doesn't say who or why people that were rewarded were rewarded. Nor does it give credit to leadering groups of contributers.))

#36300252854 06/04/2007 13:14:02 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:
Michael1 wrote:
GamiSB wrote:

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))


((The headlamp doesn't have a timer.))
((Kid's post doesn't say who or why people that were rewarded were rewarded. Nor does it give credit to leadering groups of contributers.))
Uh, Gami, Rarebit's been busy with the Fumigator quest, and that's been taking a chunk of his time, which is why Kid's forum post is so *CENSORED* short. I'm also one of the people that would rather keep my accomplishments private so that no one would type-cast me as "Mr. No Life" or "Mr. *CENSORED*-kisser." Be happy that some players were at least emailed the perpetual viruses that gave Rarebit's congratulations in it.
#36300252882 06/04/2007 13:50:30 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
See other three responces about the slefish bastard comments or how you feel about it.

#36300252932 06/04/2007 15:01:01 [7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
<3
#36300252960 06/04/2007 15:47:30 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

Posted on behalf of Steelle 

((Hello. My name is Steelle. My name has been brought up a few times in this discussion and I feel that it is necessary that I speak for myself. I am a First Mate on one of the ships in GamiSB's faction EPN and the first thing I want to say is that I think Gami does have a point in what he says. Now I'm sure your first reaction to that is that of course I would support my faction leader but I hope that this community is smart enough not to jump to conclusions so quickly.

I remember what drew me to this game more than anything, and that was the promise that the players could be the ones who sculpted the story, that when we took part in events, our names would go down in the history the The Matrix. In some cases this is true. Players have made a name for themselves in this game. Who doesn't know who Tseng is? Who hasn't heard of GamiSB, or Havocide. There are countless others and I don't think it matters if I mention them all so I'll stop there. My point is that everyone will want there place in the spotlight. People want to be the topic of the "Water cooler"discussion. And I think that what this boils down to really. I, as well as others, have mention in passing before that it would be nice if the players that went that extra bit to be commended. Now maybe this is just a matter of the sizes of each of our egos but really, I think given how easy it would be to note those who helped out, (or maybe it isn't) and that this is something that was in one way or another promised to players, not to mention its been done in other LE posts, I think we could avoid a lot or future problems if we just gave those who deserve it a pat on the back.

Finally, I would like to wrap it up speaking from my experience. I got quite the rush from being such an integral part of the Live Event that I was a part of. Now someone mentioned that I was given my congrats during the event and it was nice to get that, no matter how lost it was in the sea of spam. And yes, I was given a Perpetual Headlamp as reward and I really enjoy that reward, as I have since built a commando outfit around it. But I will not lie and say that I wasn't dissapointed that I wasn't personally mentioned in the post. I just don't want this matter to tear our faction apart. The truth of the matter is that well...You'd be amazed the difference it makes to be noticed.))

Steelle


#36300255551 06/08/2007 12:29:52 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

*sighs*

What is more important?

A pat on the back or the fact that the job got done?

For two years we have held the gates of Zion as Morpheus ordered so very long ago. How often are the True Believers given a pat on the back eh?

I have worked hard to protect Zion, regardless of what the Council or Zion command thinks I should be doing, and I will continue to do so.

Many of the Kids followers say they are on the side of Zion... but then why the hostility towards us from some? Towards me?

Before there was an E Pluribus Neo active within the Matrix the Believers held the flag of Neo aloft.

One would think we would be brothers in arms.. or at least friends .. instead there are accusations and hostility from some.

Once upon a time I often recieved invitations to Micheals meetings. Those dried up rather suddenly long ago. But did I cast accusations at people? No. I accepted it. Just as the followers of the Kid must now accept the decision by Zion Command. You made the choice to leave Zion and follow the Kid on his crusade. Surely you must have realized there would be consquences.

We fought side by side. Bled the same blood. Accomplished the same task.

And then I was forced to defend myself through words from people I thought were our friends.

Do you really think this is what Neo would want?

Regardless.. I would still like to thank The Kid and his Liasions for accepting the help of Zion.

#36300255561 06/08/2007 13:00:55 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Heh, I'm not sure what's more fun, killing you Neonut morons, or listening to you rip each other apart. You're so busy scrambling for scraps from some dead guy's table that you're incapable of doing anything constructive. But please, this old Cypherite does ramble on. Go on, scream and holler like a couple of kids with a poop in your pants. It'll make finding you that much easier.

For Neo, or his moldering corpse rather,
Oldskool
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#36300260549 06/13/2007 11:07:11 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Well, I guess this means there is no reason to continue trying to find out who the hell 'JM' is. . .
#36300260555 06/13/2007 11:19:54 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Well, I guess this means there is no reason to continue trying to find out who the hell 'JM' is. . .
OH Open your eyes a little and look outside whats in front of you.
#36300260623 06/13/2007 12:44:42 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Havocide wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Well, I guess this means there is no reason to continue trying to find out who the hell 'JM' is. . .
OH Open your eyes a little and look outside whats in front of you.

If there was a resolution to the JM thing, please tell. I hates loose ends. The whole invoice data from the last crit is another one, unless lesig had a bigger hand in that, if so someone explain that too =P
#36300260631 06/13/2007 13:07:41 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
There hasn't been. Havocide just likes to spam and pretend he knows alot.

#36300260638 06/13/2007 13:20:15 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:
There hasn't been. Havocide just likes to spam and pretend he knows alot.
Oh yes, im the one who takes control. Come off it Gami.

I dont claim to know everything. But I know "enough" to get the job done.

My posts might not make much sense, but at the end of the day they hold reference to those who can make sense of them.

The JM situation, its not over..not yet I think.
#36300260642 06/13/2007 13:25:37 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:
There hasn't been. Havocide just likes to spam and pretend he knows alot.
haha, qflol
#36300260643 06/13/2007 13:27:50 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

"OH Open your eyes a little"

translated "i see something you dont"

and look outside whats in front of you.

translated "your narrow minded"

nope defently not sudgesting you know something. Not at all.


#36300260650 06/13/2007 13:35:22 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:

"OH Open your eyes a little"

Maybe I didn't phrase it rightly. My apologies.

translated "i see something you dont"

and look outside whats in front of you.

translated "your narrow minded"

Basicly yes. All I hear is the same thing. When there are other things which could be possible but no one wants to see/think it

nope defently not sudgesting you know something. Not at all.


#36300260654 06/13/2007 13:42:30 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
Thank you for proveing my point earlier.

#36300260661 06/13/2007 13:51:33 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07
GamiSB wrote:
Thank you for proveing my point earlier.
Bye Gami. SMILEY
#36300261262 06/14/2007 12:24:53 Re:[7.3.1] Where those "Pure Mosh" flyers have been coming from - Syntax - 5/31/07

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