WTB MxO Devs

Okay yeah.  It's got bugs and alot of things that get implimented have new bugs in them.  But even official release games that don't get constantly updated have bugs and glitches in them.  "All your base are belong to us."  I mean, you can't seriously expect this game to be flawless.  And the Devs could have just left the game in it's horribly flawed condition and not given us any fixes. 

We have a dev team who actually listens to our complaints and tries to fix them.  They might not get them out in a timely manner, but we still get them.  After we complained our asses off at the Corrupted quest, they fixed it in about 5 days, and 2 of those days they weren't working on it because of the weekend.  I don't know who didn't use spellcheck when they made missions, but we've gotten hundreds and hundreds of fixes for them.  Yeah, it's reactive, but at least we're getting some reaction instead of them saying "eh, so what?"  They could have easily said "we don't care" when we were complaining about the Corrupted spawns.  If the conspiracy theory that our devs don't care was true, whey didn't they just say "whatever, you wanted new content, you got it" and left it at that?  And yes, if people believe this game is still in beta, then so what?  If you don't want to be in a beta game, then don't be.  We're at least getting new content.  Not to mention the daily live events we get to progress a storyline from a multimillion dollar movie and video game story that everyone here loved (at least I hope everyone liked the movies.  If you hated the matrix, why are you here?) 

Please refrain from asking me why I'm here. It's the default question anytime anyone says anything negative about this game, and, quite frankly, debases any credibility anyone might hold in their argument. It's like... a last resort.

You're quite right, I don't expect this game to be flawless. There isn't a game that isn't. However, this game, moreso than any other MMO I've ever seen, read or heard about, has massive flaws in almost every aspect of it. Combat, missions, "Exciting anniversary events" (Big time roll eyes.), every aspect of it. Massive. Flaws. So it isn't as if there is a tiny bug here and there, there are some serious issues which have yet to be fixed (mostly in the vastly under-developed CR2).

Also, you have no validation in saying they could shrug and say "eh, so what". It is their job. They get paid to do that. Money. Money from your subscription. Money from mine. Money from whatever Wendy's is paying them to whore their burgers. Whatever money they earned from whoring Underarmour (We must protetc this house!). It is their job. They are titled Development for a reason. I also find it interesting how you think it's acceptable to take upto five days to fix a massive error on their part acceptable. And, heaven forbid, they might have to work on a weekend to do so. I hate to use the WoW card here, but... if something isn't right with something they implemented, it's fixed. In hours. Not days, but hours. Usually in under one. Again. Usually under one. (And don't even get me started on the comparisons of their customer service and MxO/SOE's).

I'll save you the trouble and admit, yes, MxO doesn't have the resources that WoW has. See? Easy. You don't need to counter with that.

Live events... ? Are you joking? Link me to the last Machine event on Recursion that was not some Q&A session and not brokered by a Cypherite liasion. We can't even get a liasion, let alone an actual event.

Edit: Meh.

The 'why are you here?' comment wasn't directed at you or anyone for that matter.  I was merely saying that if someone didn't like the matrix I find it hard to believe that they would play this game.  I wasn't trying to suggest that you don't like the matrix nor was I asking you why you are here.  I'm sorry if it came off that way but that wasn't my intention at all.

Now, one major difference between you and me is that I'm an MMO virgin.  This is my first and will probably be my only.  I have nothing to compare this game's development to so I really don't have anything to say against their timelyness (sp?) of getting fixes done and I'm not aware of WoW's standards.  I figured hey, they got it done, didn't they?  It took 5 days, but they got it done.  But you sort of took away that point anyway because of the resources comment. 

You're right, it is their job to develop this game.  However, using Rarebit as an example, Rarebit is paid to be a developer and not a one-man LET.  However, he is in fact a one-man LET.  He also stays up till ungodly hours answering our questions in his thread.  Is he paid overtime for staying up on the forums till 3?  I don't know for sure, but probably not.  For a person who doesn't care about the game, he sure goes above and beyond his call of duty.  And I don't think 9mmFu is paid to answer our questions either, but he does that too.  At least you know they're listening to us. 

Also, your Live event comment?  No, I can't point you to a recent Recursion Machine event that wasn't a Q&A session.  But what's your point?  Live Events were never called "Events that happen live in the game that are not Q&A sessions."  You didn't disprove the fact that Live Events happen.  Your particular org may have gotten the short end of the stick that month, but you got a Live Event in some shape or form. 

Edit:  Also, if you feel like comparing MxO's customer service to WoW's, try not to drag the Devs into that.  That would be an SOE CSR problem and not an issue we should be taking up here.

Um, spellcheck?

Vitamin wrote:

Um, spellcheck?

"He" and "the" are both words. If you misspell "the" as "he", spellcheck ain't going to do SHIZZAM. English language: It's a biznatch.

But you know what helps? Proofreading. I would certainly hope someone proofreads their work before turning it in. You ever do an important essay where you hit spell check and not proofread? That's bad practice.

As for the 3am thing, if he dedicated that much time to proofreading and doublechecking his work, his part would be near flawless.

Oh and NT, **Welcome to our forums** if you don't like.

I'm now waiting for someone to come up with a valid reply to Vitamin that isn't "**Welcome to our forums** if you dont like /hugsquad"

Alright. You win.

/surrender

We have a dev team who actually listens to our complaints and tries to fix them.  They might not get them out in a timely manner, but we still get them.  After we complained our asses off at the Corrupted quest, they fixed it in about 5 days, and 2 of those days they weren't working on it because of the weekend.  I don't know who didn't use spellcheck when they made missions, but we've gotten hundreds and hundreds of fixes for them.  Yeah, it's reactive, but at least we're getting some reaction instead of them saying "eh, so what?"  They could have easily said "we don't care" when we were complaining about the Corrupted spawns.  If the conspiracy theory that our devs don't care was true, whey didn't they just say "whatever, you wanted new content, you got it" and left it at that? 

We shouldn't have to complain our asses off to get results.  That's just as bad as having a dev team that doesn't care.

Time to use the ol' Pizza Hut analogy.  You go into a Pizza Hut and order a large pepperoni and mushroom pizza.  You get the pizza and lo' and behold, there are no pepperonis.

Good customer service:  "I'm terribly sorry sir!  We'll make you up another pizza right away."

MxO:  "Well...  it's a large and you got mushrooms, you should be happy for that."  Five days later, you receive a call from Pizza Hut.  "Hey, I got your pepperoni now if you want to pick it up."

Well, if there's only one guy making the pizzas, and if this "Hut" is actually a Port-a-Potty on the side of a highway, it might be understandable.

I'd like to add that, in a game's programming, fixing a bug is basically editing a typo.

I don't believe anyone is asking for anyone to be replaced, nor trying to kick someone in the wang over nothing. I also believe I mentioned the Q/A team a few times, which Rarebit isn't apart of. I would like, however, for everyone to tack accountability for their failures and to fix them in a timely manner. In this case, Rarebit replacing the absent liasions for which he's responsible for. No, he doesn't need more time, or shouldn't. Two + months is more than enough. I'll also make the point that MxO being under-staffed isn't really my fault, yet we suffer because of it.

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

Awesome thread!  I started to think I was the only person who had a problem with MxO, teehee.  After all this time (been here since launch), my faith in SOE and this game are pretty much at an end.

I can't deny that SOE has done things since taking over.  At this point I feel they are just recycling everything.  If you look closely you can see where the Area K trench came from for example.  I did the Corruptor thing when it first happened.  New clothing is not new content to me personally.  Changing colours to an existing item and giving it particular "buffs" is not developement to me personally.  Adding new, totally revamped combat systems to replace original ones due to flaws is a waste of time and resources.  I think working with what we had in the combat area and building on it would have been the way to go.  In my opinion the combat is far worse now than it ever was in the original.  Not to mention alot less "Matrixy".

I would be happy to pay to play for an extended period of time with the story once again on hold for major content to be worked on and released provided we were kept in the loop on said content.  If I found out I waited 12 months for new clothing. . .POOF (head explodes)!  Being kept in the loop means telling us what is being planned, then worked on with continued follow ups on said work.

 Example:  Those areas you can see in the hardline menu.  We are working on adding a new neighborhood!  It's gonna be "whatever".  We plan to have this area ready for release in X amount of time.  More details as they become available!

Or:  We are (finally) adding Merv's restaraunt!  It's gonna be downtown in "wherever".  It'll be released in X amount of time!

Or:  By the way, Club Hel is now accessible as it used to be and is located on the floor its supposed to be! 

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

Vitamin wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

I just thought they meant what you had to do to get the gloves as content.

The same X mission you had to do for every other l33t item, like party hats, Smith Pills, etc? Yeah, ok, I can see how that might be viewed as content, but... really, not so much. Roukie, remember in WoW when you did a quest chain and it had an indepth story attached to it (and if you digged deeper, it'd get deeper and deeper) and then when you finished that chain, it'd lead to the next? And the next after that? Ad so on, and so forth? Sure, jst like any MMO and grind is a grind and there is always going to be some redundancy to it. But when it's packaged up with some depth to it, it's less... well, redundant. Lets take my care-package idea, for instance. Is there any logical reason why this can't be done? It's nothing more than a new critical mission, isn't it? Lets say, you ding level 20. You get a quest to Meet Agent Gray. He congratulates you on your hard work thus far, yada yada yada, and rewards you with... something. A gun, jacket, a PDA that summons some Agent spawn to bail you out when you agro way too many NPCs in one misison area. *CENSORED* anything! Why can't this be done in intervals of 20, 40 and the big 50? Why can't there be like, rep rewards for achieveing maximum rep. It's nothing more than a NEW critical mission. Honestly, from what I see, it's laziness, and nothing more. That's content.

Screw a typo.

Roukan wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

I just thought they meant what you had to do to get the gloves as content.

The same X mission you had to do for every other l33t item, like party hats, Smith Pills, etc? Yeah, ok, I can see how that might be viewed as content, but... really, not so much. Roukie, remember in WoW when you did a quest chain and it had an indepth story attached to it (and if you digged deeper, it'd get deeper and deeper) and then when you finished that chain, it'd lead to the next? And the next after that? Ad so on, and so forth? Sure, jst like any MMO and grind is a grind and there is always going to be some redundancy to it. But when it's packaged up with some depth to it, it's less... well, redundant. Lets take my care-package idea, for instance. Is there any logical reason why this can't be done? It's nothing more than a new critical mission, isn't it? Lets say, you ding level 20. You get a quest to Meet Agent Gray. He congratulates you on your hard work thus far, yada yada yada, and rewards you with... something. A gun, jacket, a PDA that summons some Agent spawn to bail you out when you agro way too many NPCs in one misison area. *CENSORED* anything! Why can't this be done in intervals of 20, 40 and the big 50? Why can't there be like, rep rewards for achieveing maximum rep. It's nothing more than a NEW critical mission. Honestly, from what I see, it's laziness, and nothing more. That's content.

Screw a typo.

Vitamin wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

I just thought they meant what you had to do to get the gloves as content.

The same X mission you had to do for every other l33t item, like party hats, Smith Pills, etc? Yeah, ok, I can see how that might be viewed as content, but... really, not so much. Roukie, remember in WoW when you did a quest chain and it had an indepth story attached to it (and if you digged deeper, it'd get deeper and deeper) and then when you finished that chain, it'd lead to the next? And the next after that? Ad so on, and so forth? Sure, jst like any MMO and grind is a grind and there is always going to be some redundancy to it. But when it's packaged up with some depth to it, it's less... well, redundant. Lets take my care-package idea, for instance. Is there any logical reason why this can't be done? It's nothing more than a new critical mission, isn't it? Lets say, you ding level 20. You get a quest to Meet Agent Gray. He congratulates you on your hard work thus far, yada yada yada, and rewards you with... something. A gun, jacket, a PDA that summons some Agent spawn to bail you out when you agro way too many NPCs in one misison area. *CENSORED* anything! Why can't this be done in intervals of 20, 40 and the big 50? Why can't there be like, rep rewards for achieveing maximum rep. It's nothing more than a NEW critical mission. Honestly, from what I see, it's laziness, and nothing more. That's content.

Screw a typo.

Vittie, I've played MMOs for years. I know what your care-package idea, but sadly Rarebit would rather tip-toe around LESIG and do bare minimum missions to work on a quest that what.. could take a week to program?

The only problem I've ever had with you Vit was the constant whining about "omg no content" "lol i'm leaving" sad shite that I see day to day from people about to leave. At that breaking point myself, I apologize for everything I said that involved that. I was infact going to unsubscribe quietly at 52 because the Corrupted thing pissed me off, but the combat change made me come back in. I like it.

We can complain, we can hope, we can pray, but will it work out in the end?

It depends on our devs. They have my subscription until Warhammer comes out (if it doesn't suck)

No, roukan, it won't. And, honestly, what in the last year has given you reason to believe it will. I mean, do you really think the combat system is going to be as-designed anytime soon? Face facts, that project was the only improvement this game will ever see (major improvement), and it's a stretch to even call it that. It's broken, pure and simple. I doubt many would argue that. What we have done, however, is learned to work with a broken system (and many have even managed to find those fun exploits along the way). All this other stuff is just crap. Come on, seriously, Black Formal Gloves as content? No new misson to get them. No new means to obtain them. It's just re-hased shite from a year ago, with a different animated monster to kill. Was there a official tie-in to the MxO storyline involved with these? Hell, did the entire event even tie-in with the official storyline? No. It's no different than any other event to obtain "content". Which, in my opinion, is really boring, moreso than it was two years ago. It's just time they did something. Something new, would be a nice change. Bare minimum is just... ugh.

I get it, Rarebit and Co. work hard, yaadaayaadaa. But really, what IMPROVEMENTS have been made? Like, at all? What is better now than it was a year ago? What has been PROACTIVELY fixed? (I'm asusming nothing, since every major release ever has caused a major server melt-down-- and then took days to fix fully).

No, I don't mean to come across as a MXO doomslayer, really. There's a ton I love about it, why else would I keep my subscription? I'm just wondering, this game really has people working on it full-time? And, if so, what the *CENSORED* do you do all day?

Roukan wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Vitamin wrote:

Still waiting to hear how Black Formal Gloves are content...

It gives you something to do in RP. I don't care if you don't RP, that's still content.

Do or wear? Is it commonplace to stand around talking about your oh-so-dark new Formal Black Gloves? Come on, man. You know that's a strech for "content".

PS: Don't assume I don't RP, nub.

I just thought they meant what you had to do to get the gloves as content.

The same X mission you had to do for every other l33t item, like party hats, Smith Pills, etc? Yeah, ok, I can see how that might be viewed as content, but... really, not so much. Roukie, remember in WoW when you did a quest chain and it had an indepth story attached to it (and if you digged deeper, it'd get deeper and deeper) and then when you finished that chain, it'd lead to the next? And the next after that? Ad so on, and so forth? Sure, jst like any MMO and grind is a grind and there is always going to be some redundancy to it. But when it's packaged up with some depth to it, it's less... well, redundant. Lets take my care-package idea, for instance. Is there any logical reason why this can't be done? It's nothing more than a new critical mission, isn't it? Lets say, you ding level 20. You get a quest to Meet Agent Gray. He congratulates you on your hard work thus far, yada yada yada, and rewards you with... something. A gun, jacket, a PDA that summons some Agent spawn to bail you out when you agro way too many NPCs in one misison area. *CENSORED* anything! Why can't this be done in intervals of 20, 40 and the big 50? Why can't there be like, rep rewards for achieveing maximum rep. It's nothing more than a NEW critical mission. Honestly, from what I see, it's laziness, and nothing more. That's content.

Screw a typo.

Vittie, I've played MMOs for years. I know what your care-package idea, but sadly Rarebit would rather tip-toe around LESIG and do bare minimum missions to work on a quest that what.. could take a week to program?

The only problem I've ever had with you Vit was the constant whining about "omg no content" "lol i'm leaving" sad shite that I see day to day from people about to leave. At that breaking point myself, I apologize for everything I said that involved that. I was infact going to unsubscribe quietly at 52 because the Corrupted thing pissed me off, but the combat change made me come back in. I like it.

We can complain, we can hope, we can pray, but will it work out in the end?

It depends on our devs. They have my subscription until Warhammer comes out (if it doesn't suck)

No, roukan, it won't. And, honestly, what in the last year has given you reason to believe it will. I mean, do you really think the combat system is going to be as-designed anytime soon? Face facts, that project was the only improvement this game will ever see (major improvement), and it's a stretch to even call it that. It's broken, pure and simple. I doubt many would argue that. What we have done, however, is learned to work with a broken system (and many have even managed to find those fun exploits along the way). All this other stuff is just crap. Come on, seriously, Black Formal Gloves as content? No new misson to get them. No new means to obtain them. It's just re-hased shite from a year ago, with a different animated monster to kill. Was there a official tie-in to the MxO storyline involved with these? Hell, did the entire event even tie-in with the official storyline? No. It's no different than any other event to obtain "content". Which, in my opinion, is really boring, moreso than it was two years ago. It's just time they did something. Something new, would be a nice change. Bare minimum is just... ugh.

I get it, Rarebit and Co. work hard, yaadaayaadaa. But really, what IMPROVEMENTS have been made? Like, at all? What is better now than it was a year ago? What has been PROACTIVELY fixed? (I'm asusming nothing, since every major release ever has caused a major server melt-down-- and then took days to fix fully).

No, I don't mean to come across as a MXO doomslayer, really. There's a ton I love about it, why else would I keep my subscription? I'm just wondering, this game really has people working on it full-time? And, if so, what the *CENSORED* do you do all day?

Yeah, but the hard part is trying to find the typo.  Have you seen some of the game files?  Not pretty.

Watch the profanity, folks.

Just because you're impassioned about the game doesn't mean you should express your viewpoint using 2¢ swear words. It really makes a more effective argument simply to stick to the facts and present your feelings on them in a respectful manner.

2 Cent swear words?  Never heard of that before.  What constitutes a dollar swear?  J.k

I have seen that the filter swear words doesn't work that well.  I would love to test out the filter for the Mods/Admins . 

Watch the profanity, folks.

Just because you're impassioned about the game doesn't mean you should express your viewpoint using 2¢ swear words. It really makes a more effective argument simply to stick to the facts and present your feelings on them in a respectful manner.