is it me or does everyone notice how they roll out than instantly pull you back in to combat
thoughts? comments?
Widows More
28 posts · 2007-05-16 10:09:54 to 2007-12-21 12:30:32
All NPCs do that, not just the ones in widow's moor, you can do it too 
Smith has gotten to this post, he has...... infected it!
(also it was a double post)
I think its fine. Makes killing the gargoyle easier, keep stringing specials to stop the rolling out.
Its been mentioned a million times but its never been fixed. Heres a post I made a while back about my experiences. Ill repost it below:
Some people actually believe theres nothing wrong with Gargoyle. I would love to hear something from 9mmfu about this.
Some of this has been mentioned numerous times but ill say it again. A couple of bugs ive noticed when fighting Gargoyle in interlock are:
-Using regular tactics (speed, power and grab) breaks interlock. You and Gargoyle both get booted from interlock and Gargoyle 99% of the time will immediately interlock you again. Gargoyle isnt rolling out because if he was he wouldnt be able to attack you for 5 secs unless thats bugged too.
-Specials will sometimes missfire draining IS but doing no damage to Gargoyle. Specials get queued, green animation shows it hit, the specials animation is shown but Gargoyle takes no damage. System log doesnt even log the event.
-Enrage and stun does not prevent Gargoyle from breaking interlock. Only way to keep Gargoyle in interlock is to use specials back to back or switch to block tactic while your waiting for timers.
-Using the block tactic to keep Gargoyle in interlock will bug combat completely. Specials blink but never fire off. I think you get stuck in block even though you have another tactic selected. I have not found a way to fix this other than doing a full relog.
Im sure there are more. Good thing for now is its very easy to kill Gargoyle even with all these bugs. He is by far the easiest archive boss to kill.
Some people actually believe theres nothing wrong with Gargoyle. I would love to hear something from 9mmfu about this.
Some of this has been mentioned numerous times but ill say it again. A couple of bugs ive noticed when fighting Gargoyle in interlock are:
-Using regular tactics (speed, power and grab) breaks interlock. You and Gargoyle both get booted from interlock and Gargoyle 99% of the time will immediately interlock you again. Gargoyle isnt rolling out because if he was he wouldnt be able to attack you for 5 secs unless thats bugged too.
-Specials will sometimes missfire draining IS but doing no damage to Gargoyle. Specials get queued, green animation shows it hit, the specials animation is shown but Gargoyle takes no damage. System log doesnt even log the event.
-Enrage and stun does not prevent Gargoyle from breaking interlock. Only way to keep Gargoyle in interlock is to use specials back to back or switch to block tactic while your waiting for timers.
-Using the block tactic to keep Gargoyle in interlock will bug combat completely. Specials blink but never fire off. I think you get stuck in block even though you have another tactic selected. I have not found a way to fix this other than doing a full relog.
Im sure there are more. Good thing for now is its very easy to kill Gargoyle even with all these bugs. He is by far the easiest archive boss to kill.
Doing specials might work for MAs and GMs, but Gargoyle still rolls out when I try to use a hacker ability. I've given up on WM and will bypass this construct.
just use block, do a powerful combo special, block, then repeat again
XRontix wrote:
Block is broken >_<
just use block, do a powerful combo special, block, then repeat again
Block is broken >_<
I think it works for that though. Block in this case prevents IL from braking. BTW if any1 notices like in duels or whatever that the IL is about to brake (ie it gets stuck at some point and some1 suddenly withdraws) use block.
I dont think Widows Moor is that much of a pain if I'm being honest, he's by far the easiest archive boss to beat. Yes Garg rolls out but when he rolls out you get the change to land a blow, to get a state before you interlock him once again.
I interlock him and get like 3 moves off and he rolls out. I cant beleive you used all your IS so quickly. I rarely run out of IS before the end of the fight
Apparently, Widows Moor isn't a priority for the dev team at the moment, so don't expect a fix for a while 
SniperWolf101 wrote:
i remember killing him the same way, without aikido ;p
Movie!hawt stuff!
Yeah he's mad buggy as you can see in this vid i took today farming with my alt.
i remember killing him the same way, without aikido ;p
Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
its a known issue with AI in general. He's not the only one that has this problem, he just gets noticed more.
there is no issue, don't fix it, thats the best archive
jl10899 wrote:
Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
Apparently you've never used karate and a patcher sim in Sakura.
This is a bug. It's broken. It needs to be fixed. I want to be able to fight in WM the same way I do everywhere else.
Fatmop wrote:
Ermm, I can solo them all, it's not that hard.
jl10899 wrote:Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
Apparently you've never used karate and a patcher sim in Sakura.
Ermm, I can solo them all, it's not that hard.
Fatmop wrote:
It may be a bug, but it does make the archive unique. If it is changed, then it will be a lot harder to kill him, why would anyone want that?
jl10899 wrote:Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
Apparently you've never used karate and a patcher sim in Sakura.This is a bug. It's broken. It needs to be fixed. I want to be able to fight in WM the same way I do everywhere else.
It may be a bug, but it does make the archive unique. If it is changed, then it will be a lot harder to kill him, why would anyone want that?
XXT wrote:
Fatmop wrote:Because some of us think games should be challenging? And generally, that some of us usually includes the people designing the games.jl10899 wrote:Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
Apparently you've never used karate and a patcher sim in Sakura.This is a bug. It's broken. It needs to be fixed. I want to be able to fight in WM the same way I do everywhere else.
It may be a bug, but it does make the archive unique. If it is changed, then it will be a lot harder to kill him, why would anyone want that?
Except that is only place that isn't, is that such a big deal? I think its fun to kill, always my favorite archive. They should also fix the map in One Zero, that bug has been there forever.
Fatmop wrote:
jl10899 wrote:Gargy has been broken for so long i hope they never fix him, its the last solo'able construct boss, it should be his design not his bug.
Apparently you've never used karate and a patcher sim in Sakura.This is a bug. It's broken. It needs to be fixed. I want to be able to fight in WM the same way I do everywhere else.
...and if it is fixed , more players from the few players that are actualliy playing mxo , would leave.
I know the "good old days" , before cr2 , where you could go into the archive , load your hacker or gunner tree and you could kill the boss in less than 20 seconds I ve killed gargolye with this over 400 times only to get the glasses (and i didnt get the glases in this way^^).
My Opinion : dont fix it .
So many things that arent really bugged , was fixed , and then many players leave.
The players dont discuss on the forum about , they only leaving.
After CR2 i testet to kill the boss in lvl50 archive zero one with the balista tree....i had no chance to defeat him , this is frustated to the game , and this is not movitaved.
So leave gargolye in the actually stage it is.
AfterWhoruNeo wrote:
Give me a tactics booster and a few health pills and I can solo TM with hacker. I once killed him without using any health pills (Though that was more luck cause I have never done it since).
After CR2 i testet to kill the boss in lvl50 archive zero one with the balista tree....i had no chance to defeat him
Give me a tactics booster and a few health pills and I can solo TM with hacker. I once killed him without using any health pills (Though that was more luck cause I have never done it since).
Renesis13B wrote:
Even tho you made this post about 6 months ago, I can fully double every bug you *featured* here.
When I first (well wasn't really the first time, but the first time since CR2) came to WM and interlocked Gargoyle I was like "what the heck". I'd really describe this archive as non-playable. Cause it's not only him, it's actually all the NPCs in there.
After some time you get it and can kill him quite easy - fair enough. But mh.. it really is no fun at all.
Its been mentioned a million times but its never been fixed. Heres a post I made a while back about my experiences. Ill repost it below:
Some people actually believe theres nothing wrong with Gargoyle. I would love to hear something from 9mmfu about this.
Some of this has been mentioned numerous times but ill say it again. A couple of bugs ive noticed when fighting Gargoyle in interlock are:
-Using regular tactics (speed, power and grab) breaks interlock. You and Gargoyle both get booted from interlock and Gargoyle 99% of the time will immediately interlock you again. Gargoyle isnt rolling out because if he was he wouldnt be able to attack you for 5 secs unless thats bugged too.
-Specials will sometimes missfire draining IS but doing no damage to Gargoyle. Specials get queued, green animation shows it hit, the specials animation is shown but Gargoyle takes no damage. System log doesnt even log the event.
-Enrage and stun does not prevent Gargoyle from breaking interlock. Only way to keep Gargoyle in interlock is to use specials back to back or switch to block tactic while your waiting for timers.
-Using the block tactic to keep Gargoyle in interlock will bug combat completely. Specials blink but never fire off. I think you get stuck in block even though you have another tactic selected. I have not found a way to fix this other than doing a full relog.
Im sure there are more. Good thing for now is its very easy to kill Gargoyle even with all these bugs. He is by far the easiest archive boss to kill.
Even tho you made this post about 6 months ago, I can fully double every bug you *featured* here.
When I first (well wasn't really the first time, but the first time since CR2) came to WM and interlocked Gargoyle I was like "what the heck". I'd really describe this archive as non-playable. Cause it's not only him, it's actually all the NPCs in there.
After some time you get it and can kill him quite easy - fair enough. But mh.. it really is no fun at all.
I don't know when they changed it but Gargoyle doesn't automatically roll out anymore. I went into Widows Moor expecting him to be just like he had been before and found he acts more like a normal npc now. It is more challenging, but a lot more entertaining than spam attacks, block, repeat.