28 posts · 2007-03-19 07:22:57 to 2007-06-14 10:41:31
#3630019087303/19/2007 07:22:57what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
what did the merovingian do as a progam before he was exiled? i recall him saying about he was there to traffic information and that it was his business to know. is this is original purpose or is this now his purpose he has given himself?
also what was Persephone's purpose was she like a cupid or something? her obsession with love and that everything is down to it, hints she was a program governing the emotion? or is she simply a referance to greek mythology? (the wife of hades)
what was the twins purpose as programs what did they do? they have the ghost like ability but the oracle said that all sightings of ghost aliens warewolfs etc were programs doign what they shouldnt be doing so is this just the matirxs 'glitching' the twins?
hopefully someone will know as i dont think the film's actually say what these important chracters did if it does i have totally missed it.
#3630019089403/19/2007 08:22:29Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I'm not sure about the Merovingian's original purpose, but if I remember correctly it was stated somewhere that Persephone's original purpose was to provide "inspiration" for collecting genetic material from bluepills, if you catch my meaning.
The twins probably come from the Ashencourt version of the Matrix, so honestly who knows. Seems like that version was created mainly to scare the crap out of bluepills.
#3630019089703/19/2007 08:31:24Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I was thinking along them lines for the twins too, i was thinking maybe they were from the previous version of the matrix that was more grotesque and violent like the architect mentioned.
maybe the merv 6.0 missions shed more light on them? i haven't done them yet.
#3630019090903/19/2007 08:50:34Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
1. Its been assumed that the Merovingian could be an orginal One somehow or maybe a former Dues Ex Machina.
2. Presphone "claims" to be a program to study love but is more about the physical side.
3. The Twins seem likely to be former agent programs given their resilence to destruction.
#3630019091603/19/2007 09:04:55Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
hmm interesting points there. i cant see that merv is a previous One as they decripted the code and anaylsed him each time then reinserted his RSI when the matrix was restarted. but an interesting point.
#3630019108303/19/2007 13:10:32Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I'd strongly disagree with Merv being a former One, the evidence for such is based on a single line in the film "He was like you once" which, in my opinion, has no relevance to "The One". (Or alternatively the origin of the name and it's link to Christ, but still doesn't convince me as all former ones would have returned to the source otherwise Neo would never have come about)
At one point in time Merv must have been a program (The balance between Archie and Oracle: Architect as Creator, Merv as Maintainer, Oracle as Destroyer) loyal to the system, given his power he would likely have been on par with The Architect and The Oracle. However, we know at some point he chose Exile. I think of Merv as the Lucifer character in the film, once a loyal servant of God (Architect) but fallen and now ruler of the Hells (Hence Persephone, Hel).
#3630019122703/19/2007 16:34:36what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
MattRobson wrote:
what did the merovingian do as a progam before he was exiled? i recall him saying about he was there to traffic information and that it was his business to know. is this is original purpose or is this now his purpose he has given himself?
also what was Persephone's purpose was she like a cupid or something? her obsession with love and that everything is down to it, hints she was a program governing the emotion? or is she simply a referance to greek mythology? (the wife of hades)
what was the twins purpose as programs what did they do? they have the ghost like ability but the oracle said that all sightings of ghost aliens warewolfs etc were programs doign what they shouldnt be doing so is this just the matirxs 'glitching' the twins?
hopefully someone will know as i dont think the film's actually say what these important chracters did if it does i have totally missed it.
They...er he ruled. Persephone is a good story. They kill. The twins were doing what they were supposed to be doing. The Oracle's comment was directed at the Merv hence his mention afterwards.
#3630019132003/19/2007 18:21:53Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I have heard the theory the merovingian was a backup program, sole purpose is to backup programs and code, when a new revision of the matrix comes out, and something does not work out, the machines tap the merovingian for their old version to fix the problem
the merv survives wipes of the matrix
say the program that controls gravity in matrix version 5 was bugged, the machines tap the merv for the gravity program from version 4 and modify it, the merv also keeps the bugged gravity program as well, and uses it for his own needs
#3630019136803/19/2007 19:29:49Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The Merovingian states it himself
"It is my business to Know"
The Merv was probably some sort of Information program, maybe a type of RAM or archive or CPU that either controlled or was an essential component of the Hell Matrix. His job was to collect and use information, but being a self serving being, uses that information for himself. This explains his mastery of using the code for his own benefits
The Theory about the Twins being the Hell Matrix's version of the Agents makes a kind of sense. They do act similarly to the MiB version we all know like finishing each other's sentences, increasingly hard to kill, a certain uniformity in thier oufits.
#3630019141003/19/2007 20:31:15Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I believe the Oracle once referred to the Merovingian as an operating system.
Illyria
#3630019144803/19/2007 21:19:46Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I believe that the Merovingian, is as someone mentioned earlier, on par with the Architect and The Oracle, perhaps a former overseer of a previous version of the Matrix. While I'm not sure what his role was, I think he was probably given the respect of the architect and the oracle, but being a selfish program I believe he fled to the Matrix because he realized that there he could be a god instead of being just an underling.
Concerning Persephone I had always assumed she must have been a succubus program from the apacolyptic version of the Matrix. The way she seems to draw energy/thought/emotion from the people she comes into physical contact with kind of screams succubus to me, also her name is greek in origin and so are succubi. Also the merovingian seems to have an affinity for programs from the Hellish version of the Matrix (perhaps that is the instance that he governed over).
The Twins, fairly obviously, are ghosts. Such as Cane and Abel are werewolves, I believe the twins must be ghosts. Again this goes back to the Merovingian's taste for programs from the horror show Matrix. They exhibit most of the ghostly abilities we might expect from your run o' the mill poltergiest, and as suggested by The Oracle, their power comes from the Matrix trying to make sense of them hacking the environment (programs hacking programs).
As to the original purpose of these odd exiles, I believe thats mostly up to imagination, as we don't have much insight into any of the instances that they came from.
#3630019149603/19/2007 22:23:21Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The General said he was an Operating System, probably replaced in function of regulation by The Oracle's system of choice, which would explain why he hates her so much.
#3630019179803/20/2007 07:46:24Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The General was the OS of the Sentinels
#3630019186203/20/2007 08:57:43Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
Shadow Griever wrote:
The Theory about the Twins being the Hell Matrix's version of the Agents makes a kind of sense. They do act similarly to the MiB version we all know like finishing each other's sentences, increasingly hard to kill, a certain uniformity in thier oufits.
I actually remember when I first saw them in the Reloaded trailer I thought they were the upgrades.
#3630019244003/20/2007 21:43:37Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
Shadow Griever wrote:
The General was the OS of the Sentinels
Nooo, no. The General said that The Merovingian's original purpose was to function as an operating system, most likely over the hell Matrix.
And to join the others, I too have considered the idea of the Twins being just two of many of the Ashencourte version of Agents. However, it only leads me to wonder why we haven't seen any others, and if there are others, do they all look the same (white skin, silver hair/clothes) in order to maintain their ghost appearance?
#3630019267403/21/2007 08:03:57Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The Oracle wrote:
What do want all men with power?
More Power!
His simply objective is get more power and have more control. Just for vanity I supose. ("Definetly my favorite sin"
I believe he wrote the Twins by himself, just like that lovely chocolate desert.
#3630019268203/21/2007 08:27:55Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
cesspool wrote:
The twins probably come from the Ashencourt version of the Matrix, so honestly who knows. Seems like that version was created mainly to scare the crap out of bluepills.
#3630019530003/24/2007 00:40:46Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
Well, considering all the condemned programs he takes in, I'd have to say he's the Recycling Bin
But seriously, very good points here. But I don't think he was a former One, as he says, "Your predecesors had more respect." Stating he had met them, it wouldn't really make sense if he was one. For the comment about the merv being like Neo before, I think it was refering to his personality or attitude. Maybe his aspirations to change the system and order of things in the faces of the machines, as opposed to now where he is more like an underground mob boss. I like the idea of an operating system though, it explains his desire to know what is going on everywhere, as well as his collection of programs.
As for the Twins, I see the similarities to agents, but the fact that they are known as The Twins seems to make a point of stating there are exacly two of them. But I could be drawing factual conclusions. Whatever, that's my thoughts.
#3630019556503/24/2007 08:47:11Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
Persephone is an out of date emotion study program. She's was replaced, her replacement was replaced. Her replacement is in MxO, so this is fact. I assume the story goes the Machines needed to study us emotionally so they could work out how to keep us asleep.
It's been said by a few LET characters the Frenchman is the same as Windows ME. Old, mostly useless, and forgotten. All his obsessions and abilities fit with the idea he was an OS. Never saw a clue as to what he was operating on, but the Hell version sounds like his style at the least..
Also I'm pretty sure it's official that the Frenchman and Persephone's "marriage" was a required part of their going exile. They might be the first, but I've seen possible "oops" points that suggest others were around first..
#3630019588803/24/2007 18:43:20Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The Merovingian never made sense to me. If those that are going to be deleted run to him, wouldn't the Machines give chase and delete him for hiding them? He even heads his own org and in the movies you never see him chased or anything, odd isn't it?
#3630019597503/24/2007 23:45:23Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I actually always assumed that his security was to great for the machines to get near him. Not only did he have access to the keymaker, therefore giving him access to thousands (if not more) of backdoor hiding places in the Matrix, also, his main building has every floor wired with explosives; and his home, the chateu(spelling) I'm sure is shielded from the machines somehow, probably by proxy or firewall of some kind.
The machines don't go after the Merovingian because they can't get at him, also, it would seem that though he is a nuisance to them, hording old programs and allowing new ones to be exiled, he still doesn't threaten the stability of the system itself, he is content with simply living as much like a god as he can. So I'm sure he isn't at the top of their hit list, though I bet they wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger if they had the chance.
#3630019625703/25/2007 10:32:54Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
If the machines made a concerted effort to take down the Merovingian they'd try their hardest to not actually delete him. I read some ingame note or other, from a mission or perhaps an NPC drop during an event, from Gray that pretty much said they need to take him alive if at all because with him under their control they'd know the location of (and quite possibly all the security measures employed by) all exiles within the Matrix.
#3630019672503/25/2007 22:53:32Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
So he is more like a liability then? That also makes really good sense, man this is a pretty cool thread, I always liked the Merovingian...never work for the guy though
#3630019688803/26/2007 05:50:22Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
Just thought I'd throw my two cents in here. About a year ago I sent him a message basically expressing my thoughts that he must be more than a simple, cartoonlike Hobbsian villain that he appears to be. He responded that indeed that was the case, but in this iteration appears as everyone's favorite "bad guy," a role he rather enjoys at the moment. I quote his last line to me:
"Let those who see only what is right in front of their nose enjoy their short time mocking my current notoriety; to those such as you and I, who see further, it is all part of a larger plan."
Another thing to consider is that if in fact Morpheus is alive than he must have made some type of deal or bargain with The Merovingian to stage his death.
#3630022222404/23/2007 16:01:35Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
From the machine perspective, they allow him to stay because he controls the exiles. If he were not around, exiles could pose a much larger threat to both the stability and efficiency of the core program.
From his perspective, he has as many safeguards againts his deletion as is possible. Were they to go after him it would certainly be no simple task.
#3630025807706/10/2007 15:55:38Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I believe this was the last time there was a posturing from the machines to the merv. .
#3630026108006/14/2007 04:19:54Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
I understand his twins are back in the game.
I'd like to see them in action too. Are they capable to fight agents?
If that's so, the Merovingian is more powerful than we think, therefore, he is a high treat to the system
#3630026116506/14/2007 10:41:31Re:what was/is the Merovingians purpose?
The Merovingian, as stated, was an Operating System for an older version of the Matrix. For which version we do not know, however my guess is that he was most likely the OS of a very early version of the Matrix. My guess would be the Ashencourt version, full of misery and destruction, prior to the Matrix we see in the first film. His line "Handle us? You'll handle us? You know, your predecessors had much more respect! Notice he says predecessors so he has dealt with Neo, the One before Neo, and I am sure even a few before that. Consider the fact that every One before Neo chose to rebuild Zion, so the Merovingian has been around for hundreds of years as an Exile inside the Matrix, dodging the upgrades of each system and continuing to function within it. Even though he is an outdated program, he is still the most powerful form of one. For instance, Windows Vista is far, far superior to Windows 95, however Windows 95 can still operate and perform its functions. I believe one of the main reasons he has not been deleted yet is because since he is an OS, he is almost impossible to track down and eliminate. As he said, it's his business to know. How do you perform a hit on someone who knows what's going on, how's it going down, when it's going to happen, and who's doing it? He also runs how Exiles manage within the Matrix. If he was deleted, Exiles would go on a rampage, causing mass instability of the simulation.
