16 posts · 2007-01-29 09:28:34 to 2007-02-13 09:33:05
by an appropriate code that's supposed to do this damage to them.Watching Cinematic 6.3 where we see Seraph fall into the river, I've been wondering how can program "die"? So far I think the only way a program really can "die" is either by going back to the source to face deletion, or by a kill code. So far I don't think they can die by drowning. They're not humans, just programs that look like humans. What do you guys think? Can programs die like we do, or can they only die by either going back to the source, or being shot with a kill code?Programs are replaced. It happens all the time. Then, they go to hang out in (not so) Richland.
Programs can, of course, be damaged or deleted ("cease function"
Normal Exiles are programmed to be damaged/killed by a bullet; some vamps are programmed to die from a silver bullet. Drowning might also include it.
The reason why you need specific "kill codes" is because it's either a way to disable the EJP protocols, or in case of the Assassin, programmed to kill this unique and powerful piece of code.
Now, of course you can say "this is just a simulation, that is just a program", but you see, the way the Matrix is concepted, it's just programmed quite realistically, and obviously follows certain rules that mostly apply. Even Agents die from heavy machineguns or explosives, and bleed when you cut them with a sword.
They can die.
Matrix two: The key maker
1. An agent was about to punsh the key maker (presumablly as a fatal blow)
2. Was shot plenty of times by Smith.
Both were two very diffrent methods of termination, it is highly unlikely that both the agent and Smiths bullets had a kill code just for the key maker embedded in the method they were (and did) kill him.
Further more, in matrix 3 The Merovingian relented and gave Neo back when Trinity aimed a gun at his head. If each program had a kill code and no other way to kill them, why would he have flinched at all?
The matrix is meant to immidate life and all that entails. That includes death. Thats not to say that certain exiles (vampires, were wolves) didnt manage to alter their code so that only a particular item could kill them, making them better soldiers, or they could be killed conventually, it would just take alot of ammo.
If a human spirit can be resurrected (the last cool concept this game has), what makes you believe that an actual will die?They can die.
Matrix two: The key maker
1. An agent was about to punsh the key maker (presumablly as a fatal blow)
2. Was shot plenty of times by Smith.
Both were two very diffrent methods of termination, it is highly unlikely that both the agent and Smiths bullets had a kill code just for the key maker embedded in the method they were (and did) kill him.
Further more, in matrix 3 The Merovingian relented and gave Neo back when Trinity aimed a gun at his head. If each program had a kill code and no other way to kill them, why would he have flinched at all?
The matrix is meant to immidate life and all that entails. That includes death. Thats not to say that certain exiles (vampires, were wolves) didnt manage to alter their code so that only a particular item could kill them, making them better soldiers, or they could be killed conventually, it would just take alot of ammo.
There's probably some sort of heirarchy of damage resistence among programs, with Agents as the most damage-resistant/able to inflict the most damage on programs weaker than they are. The question then is, what sort of program was Seraph and where would he have ranked in that heirarchy? Also, could newer programs inflict more damage on an older program, or could an older program become destablized over time and thus become more fragile, as it were? My guess is, Serahph seems to be an older program (probably from the First Matrix, since he's the "ange sais ailes", the angel without wings), and the elapse of time could have caused his encoding to weaken, and make him more susceptible to damage or "death".
That said, I'm of two minds about Seraph's passing: I'll believe he's gone when I see his corpse, but at the same time, this doesn't stop me from, IC, mourning his passing.
They can die.
Matrix two: The key maker
1. An agent was about to punsh the key maker (presumablly as a fatal blow)
2. Was shot plenty of times by Smith.
Both were two very diffrent methods of termination, it is highly unlikely that both the agent and Smiths bullets had a kill code just for the key maker embedded in the method they were (and did) kill him.
Further more, in matrix 3 The Merovingian relented and gave Neo back when Trinity aimed a gun at his head. If each program had a kill code and no other way to kill them, why would he have flinched at all?
But now, at least some programs have their own version of an EJP. Machine programs could be rebooted by the Source instead of deleted...the former Machine liaison program TIMCAMM died in combat multiple times, just to reappear out of a hardline like a redpill. But when orders were given for his deletion, his EJP was disabled, so that when he was killed that last time he returned to the Source.
Hmm, maybe the Merovingian controls the process in exiles?
Illyria
Hmm, maybe the Merovingian controls the process in exiles?
Illyria22 wrote:Actually the twins were in the "stratisphere". Just fractured and apparently light enough where they just didnt come down until the vials were used.Hmm, maybe the Merovingian controls the process in exiles?
I don't doubt "the Boss" has back-up files for a lot of the Exiles in his service. Might explain how we were able to get the Twins back, though it was a little flooky getting their RSIs back together again.
Can you Drown if you don't breath?
In the first movie when Morpheus duels Neo the first time he shows you don't need to breath, there is no real fatigue when you fight or run that I ever noticed, so whats to say Seraph can't break that rule too.
Also the agent fighting Morpheus on the truck in the second movie gets his cheek cut by the sword and bleeds for whoever said they never saw an agent bleed.