BS they didnt know.

This might have been brought up before, but does anyone else find it complete BS that Zion didnt know that humanity started the war?

Before the animatrix, Morpheus says a few lines:

"We dont know who struck first, us or them, but we do know it was us who burnt the sky. At the time they were dependant on solar power, and it was believed that they wouldnt survive without a energy source as abundent as the sun."

I find it rather strange that they would know that much detail, but not know what started the war.

When the animatrix came out, and we learned of the Second Ren., we find out, that we are accessing a zion archive file not a machine. I serously doubt the brothers would have allowed that to be said if it went against cannon.

So my question is this. Do you think the more senior members of Zion, like the captains knew the truth and so then decided to tell half truths to new recruits, like Neo. Or do you think that information was more hidden then most files and after the truce we learn the truth?

This might have been brought up before, but does anyone else find it complete BS that Zion didnt know that humanity started the war?

Before the animatrix, Morpheus says a few lines:

"We dont know who struck first, us or them, but we do know it was us who burnt the sky. At the time they were dependant on solar power, and it was believed that they wouldnt survive without a energy source as abundent as the sun."

I find it rather strange that they would know that much detail, but not know what started the war.

When the animatrix came out, and we learned of the Second Ren., we find out, that we are accessing a zion archive file not a machine. I serously doubt the brothers would have allowed that to be said if it went against cannon.

So my question is this. Do you think the more senior members of Zion, like the captains knew the truth and so then decided to tell half truths to new recruits, like Neo. Or do you think that information was more hidden then most files and after the truce we learn the truth?

   There's no context to that event, though.  Zion's information is admittedly fragmented, and many of the scenes in "The Second Renaissance" flash by with little or no in-depth explanation.  The archive doesn't state that it was the first strike, and the program jumps from a naval blockade to a nuclear carpet bombing which, without context, could be interpreted a response to a previous attack that Zion has little or no information on.

   In fact, the only source that outright states that humanity struck first is Mahiro Maeda's commentary, and naturally, Zion doesn't have access to that.

Othinn1 wrote:

   There's no context to that event, though.  Zion's information is admittedly fragmented, and many of the scenes in "The Second Renaissance" flash by with little or no in-depth explanation.  The archive doesn't state that it was the first strike, and the program jumps from a naval blockade to a nuclear carpet bombing which, without context, could be interpreted a response to a previous attack that Zion has little or no information on.

   In fact, the only source that outright states that humanity struck first is Mahiro Maeda's commentary, and naturally, Zion doesn't have access to that.

I think the narator said something about after the nuke attacks 01 soldiers went out in every direction to begin fighting, or something along those lines.

I tend to think that it was a kind of denial on Morpheus' part. That he knew it was Mankind's arrogance that led up to the war, but didn't want to believe that the 'good guys' could have struck first.

Or maybe that is what he and all the other children were taught from the beginning. After all, you can't make 'believers' out of those who know a different truth. Maybe it was part of the class studies; 'World History 101'

WGAnubis1 wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

   There's no context to that event, though.  Zion's information is admittedly fragmented, and many of the scenes in "The Second Renaissance" flash by with little or no in-depth explanation.  The archive doesn't state that it was the first strike, and the program jumps from a naval blockade to a nuclear carpet bombing which, without context, could be interpreted a response to a previous attack that Zion has little or no information on.

   In fact, the only source that outright states that humanity struck first is Mahiro Maeda's commentary, and naturally, Zion doesn't have access to that.

I think the narator said something about after the nuke attacks 01 soldiers went out in every direction to begin fighting, or something along those lines.

   "The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero One in the glow of a thousand suns.  But unlike their former masters, the Machines had little to fear of the bombs' radition and heat.  Thus did Zero One's troops advance outwards in every direction, and one after another, mankind surrendered its territories."

   Maybe I'm missing it, but it seems to me that the archive only says that they advanced in response to the bombings, not in response to a first strike.

   It should be noted that the archive only briefly touches upon the boming of Zero One, whereas Operation Darkstorm  (event that Zion knows was caused by humanity)  is given a good deal of context ...

   1. The archive outright states that humanity destroyed the sky.

   2. We see a meeting where Operation Darkstorm is either proposed or reviewed.  The people in the meeting applaud in approval.

   3. We actually see humanity initiating Operation Darkstorm and spreading the nanomachine clouds.

Thats the way I see it. the machines continued to try and live in peace with the humans, but because the humans cunrrency was dropping (money can make people o wierd things) they ordered a naval blokade of 01 and then eventually the bombing. What I think is really aazing is that all the war equipment like the bombers relly on machine technologie for example the Hoverpads. Personally I think it was the humans who struck first.

Laters

If there is one thing history has conclusively proved to us it is that our record of history is far from absolute and relies on subjective reports, selective information and can be rewritten on a whim to modern predjudice and bias. Moreover invariably it is the winning side that taints its interpretation.....  I'd love to think there was a way to be sure but my embittered and cynical nature says it is impossible!

Maybe it's just a script flaw? Something they didn't think quite through?