ok so we know that man bombed 01 almost night and day with nuclear weapons. When an atomic bomb goes off it releases an EMP of the entire blast radius, with so many nukes falling on 01 you might wonder a few things. The intese heat by the dropping of many possibly hundreds of atomic weapons, each around assumingly 10megatons, The devistation is also in the form of an artifical earthquake. Also many robots used to clean up chernobyl, die within a few uses of the machine. So why is 01 still standing? the blasts of hundreds of bombs alone should have been enough to flatten 01.
Nuclear bombing of 01
29 posts · 2006-10-13 17:09:39 to 2007-01-23 04:57:10
The 01 in the game is a Matrix construct... and the animatrix was archive footage. I am not exactly sure that the machine city is the same location of 01 if that is what you mean by "still standing"... but if it is then perhaps the city of zion is older than you think.
What im talking about is why the machines were able to defeat the humans go to war etc... the blasts from the bombs should have destroyed the machines. Also has anyone explained why neo was able to destroyed the squiddys?
The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.
also you have to rember that the matrix and even the archived events of the animatrix are set in a not to distant future, so the machines were probably buiilt of stronger stuff, more than likley EMP resistant,(although maybe that line of thinking is flawed due to the movies).
another reason was the city numbering system: 01, ingame we have 10 which is a lesser area but also shows that the machines control could have been decentralized and there could have been numerous backup stations burried under the ground far away, so that should the worst come to the worst they could always rebuild.
As to why neo could destroy the squiddies, he was linked to the source after the events in the second movie, althouh not a direct link, most if not all the equipment in the tunnels was linked to 01 in some form or other, the broad cast lines into the matrix being the most well known.
Seing as the linking was just another form of control they may have wantedto keep tabs on him. What may have been diffrent when neo acctually destroyed the squiddies with his "mind" was that he was tapping into the machine network subconciousley and without knowing how he did it, disabled them. This of cours the first time would have put an enorumus strain on his body, rendering him unconcious, which brings me to my second point - mobil avenue, the area he appears in after going into the coma, it is the gateway through which all non machine data flows into the matrix (possibly one of many) but more importantly it shows that wven without the jack in his head he was still in someway connected to the machines networks.
*gasps for breath*
also you have to rember that the matrix and even the archived events of the animatrix are set in a not to distant future, so the machines were probably buiilt of stronger stuff, more than likley EMP resistant,(although maybe that line of thinking is flawed due to the movies).
another reason was the city numbering system: 01, ingame we have 10 which is a lesser area but also shows that the machines control could have been decentralized and there could have been numerous backup stations burried under the ground far away, so that should the worst come to the worst they could always rebuild.
As to why neo could destroy the squiddies, he was linked to the source after the events in the second movie, althouh not a direct link, most if not all the equipment in the tunnels was linked to 01 in some form or other, the broad cast lines into the matrix being the most well known.
Seing as the linking was just another form of control they may have wantedto keep tabs on him. What may have been diffrent when neo acctually destroyed the squiddies with his "mind" was that he was tapping into the machine network subconciousley and without knowing how he did it, disabled them. This of cours the first time would have put an enorumus strain on his body, rendering him unconcious, which brings me to my second point - mobil avenue, the area he appears in after going into the coma, it is the gateway through which all non machine data flows into the matrix (possibly one of many) but more importantly it shows that wven without the jack in his head he was still in someway connected to the machines networks.
*gasps for breath*
phaydren wrote:
in other words Neo had a wireless conection to the sorce after him and the architect had a little chat.
As to why neo could destroy the squiddies, he was linked to the source after the events in the second movie, althouh not a direct link, most if not all the equipment in the tunnels was linked to 01 in some form or other, the broad cast lines into the matrix being the most well known.
Seing as the linking was just another form of control they may have wantedto keep tabs on him. What may have been diffrent when neo acctually destroyed the squiddies with his "mind" was that he was tapping into the machine network subconciousley and without knowing how he did it, disabled them. This of cours the first time would have put an enorumus strain on his body, rendering him unconcious, which brings me to my second point - mobil avenue, the area he appears in after going into the coma, it is the gateway through which all non machine data flows into the matrix (possibly one of many) but more importantly it shows that wven without the jack in his head he was still in someway connected to the machines networks.
*gasps for breath*
in other words Neo had a wireless conection to the sorce after him and the architect had a little chat.
phaydren wrote:
The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...
Roukan wrote:
I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.
phaydren wrote:The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...
I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.
MetaLogic wrote:
Roukan wrote:phaydren wrote:The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...
I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.
"Old swerers ans subway systems, There used to be citys that spaned hundreds of miles, now these sewers are all thats left of them.
She doesnt say if they were machine or human citys, but im assuming machine citys since those sewers and tunnles were HUGE and since we dont have citys that span hundreds of miles.
You gotta think just how big the world REALLY is. I mean its HUGE!!!! i like to think that yea the machine citys in the animatrix were HUGE HUGE HUGE. and the nukes did ALOT of damge to them. however the damage was not near as permantant since the machine were much more resistant to them than humans would have been.
Human city destroyed by nuke. Everyone dies, takes FOREVER for humans to rebuild.
Stronger more durable Machine city hit with Nukes and heavly damaged but not destroyed. And Machines not killed just knocked off line still restarted. And More efficent, stronger, faster, smarter than humans so doesnt take near as long to recover.
Also these wars went on for years and years. not like it was an overnight deal.
imax wrote:
MetaLogic wrote:Roukan wrote:phaydren wrote:The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...
I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.
"Old swerers ans subway systems, There used to be citys that spaned hundreds of miles, now these sewers are all thats left of them.She doesnt say if they were machine or human citys, but im assuming machine citys since those sewers and tunnles were HUGE and since we dont have citys that span hundreds of miles.
You gotta think just how big the world REALLY is. I mean its HUGE!!!! i like to think that yea the machine citys in the animatrix were HUGE HUGE HUGE. and the nukes did ALOT of damge to them. however the damage was not near as permantant since the machine were much more resistant to them than humans would have been.
Human city destroyed by nuke. Everyone dies, takes FOREVER for humans to rebuild.
Stronger more durable Machine city hit with Nukes and heavly damaged but not destroyed. And Machines not killed just knocked off line still restarted. And More efficent, stronger, faster, smarter than humans so doesnt take near as long to recover.
Also these wars went on for years and years. not like it was an overnight deal.
Well the inital debate in UN and such might have taken years but the war itself took, at the most, a couple months. Because as they mention in theAanimatrix that the machines had long studied the humans bodie, which then showed a bunch of people messed up. So I think the machines Virus bombed human citys and took down the soldiers in comabt as seen in the Animatrix. But Years? No I don't think so. At the most months.
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the robots of today and tomorrow are two way different things. Uber leet robots are resistant to Radiation. And um as far as the emp... maybe they shut down their machines until the raiding was over. Kinda like Great Britain did in WWII when the germans bombed them :/
when an EMP goes off it doesnt just shut off a machine like a robot, it permantley destroys it, the circuits fry like KFC chicken, there is no way the machines cities could have resited the FORCE of the bombs. A nuke will cause huge craters and holes and severly damage steel structures when the metal is constantly submitted to high levels of heat and radition, it makes metal corode and bend. I dont believe that we could have won, but i also dont believe the machines were realtively unharmed thats total BS. Aslo i do think the machines used biological weapons on the remaining humans. Every time i see the part where the machines were conducting experiments it makes me wanna throw up. I have a question that seems kinda intresting, especially dealing with the rumors surrounding the release of reloaded. Some people said that real world was the matrix too. Although it doesnt fit the film i wonder maybe it was another matrix thats why neo was able to control the machines in the real. Perhaps the humans did win the war and decided to construct a program to imprison the machines in a world where they had won, but in fact never did. If some 15 year old kid could hack the FBI to look for UFO files, why couldnt we have come up with some elaborate computer virus? hell just go in there and load windows 95 into the machines and the humans would have won.
well then how did the hovercrafts ,when shut of,f send out an emp and still start back up?
lmao! that or load a beta version of vista
crash em completly, load a clean install of windows xp..........
oh yeah thers some flase facts about electro magnetic pulses, but one thing im quite sure of is that the machine in question has to be active, that way its generating its own magnetic field, as all machines do.
the way the pulse works is to interfere with the normal field of sensitive electronics causing ireperable harm.
also lead shielding can absorb quite a lot of this harmfull interference i think
the way the pulse works is to interfere with the normal field of sensitive electronics causing ireperable harm.
also lead shielding can absorb quite a lot of this harmfull interference i think
You're right about the shielding; in an EMP test centre that was on TV as part of a 'histroy of computers' of computers show, the computer in the room wouldn't reboot after the test, but the phone in the sealed lead box was fine.
Silly humans...
No one ever made it out of the matrix. The "real" world is still part of the matrix. It was created for those humans whose mind would not believe the matrix. So they were "freed" to deal with the harsh "real world". It's pretty easy to rerun the matrix simulation. How do you think they got the multiple Neo's? They didn't clone him did they? Nope, because Mr. Anderson is still in a pod. One reboot and everyone's alive and it starts all over. He's back to being the one again. Maybe this time he'll be in love with Morphus and not Trinity. (ewwww) They're all still copper tops. Sorry.
Serash wrote:
O RLY?!Silly humans...
No one ever made it out of the matrix. The "real" world is still part of the matrix. It was created for those humans whose mind would not believe the matrix. So they were "freed" to deal with the harsh "real world". It's pretty easy to rerun the matrix simulation. How do you think they got the multiple Neo's? They didn't clone him did they? Nope, because Mr. Anderson is still in a pod. One reboot and everyone's alive and it starts all over. He's back to being the one again. Maybe this time he'll be in love with Morphus and not Trinity. (ewwww) They're all still copper tops. Sorry.
Serash wrote:
possible, but i doubt it. still possible tho.Silly humans...
No one ever made it out of the matrix. The "real" world is still part of the matrix. It was created for those humans whose mind would not believe the matrix. So they were "freed" to deal with the harsh "real world". It's pretty easy to rerun the matrix simulation. How do you think they got the multiple Neo's? They didn't clone him did they? Nope, because Mr. Anderson is still in a pod. One reboot and everyone's alive and it starts all over. He's back to being the one again. Maybe this time he'll be in love with Morphus and not Trinity. (ewwww) They're all still copper tops. Sorry.
Serash wrote:
*touches an earpiece in his large squirrel ear*
Yes, I'd like to order a pizza...
IT'S ALL LIES! LIES I TELL YOU!!!Silly humans...
No one ever made it out of the matrix. The "real" world is still part of the matrix. It was created for those humans whose mind would not believe the matrix. So they were "freed" to deal with the harsh "real world". It's pretty easy to rerun the matrix simulation. How do you think they got the multiple Neo's? They didn't clone him did they? Nope, because Mr. Anderson is still in a pod. One reboot and everyone's alive and it starts all over. He's back to being the one again. Maybe this time he'll be in love with Morphus and not Trinity. (ewwww) They're all still copper tops. Sorry.
*touches an earpiece in his large squirrel ear*
Yes, I'd like to order a pizza...
When you think of how the machines studied the human race they would have had to of noticed the fact that we humans have been playing the nuke like it was a trump card for the better part of 60 years now. I think they knew if they were going to take over they would have to deal with a nuking. So before declaring all out war they probably spent a little time researching EMP shielding. Given their supperior intelligence they most likely perfected it and made it standard for all new robots being made. Thusly when the inevitable nuke came, they were prepared for it and only those caught in the explosion were destroyed.
I just always presumed that the machines could recist the nucleur blasts like really strong furtristic metals and stuff. Or pehaps the nuclear blasts were mis guided as to where they actually landed. After all the humans would have pissed almost as they were droped.
With the proper resources, its very easy to shield yourself from an EMP. Even as destructive as nuclear detonation is, the machines wouldn't be effected by it.
Thus leading to the the blackening of the sky as a last resort. May god have mercy...
you know the Machines are running on Linux...
imax wrote:
MetaLogic wrote:Roukan wrote:phaydren wrote:The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...
I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.
She doesnt say if they were machine or human citys, but im assuming machine citys since those sewers and tunnles were HUGE and since we dont have citys that span hundreds of miles.These forums suck, they broke my quoting thing. Anyway, we don't NOW, but if several leading architects are to be believed, we will in the future. Let's not forget that when mankind came up with AI, it was significantly ahead of where we are now - in the Second Renaissance they had hovering cars, for example.
GirlyGurl84 wrote:
What im talking about is why the machines were able to defeat the humans go to war etc... the blasts from the bombs should have destroyed the machines. Also has anyone explained why neo was able to destroyed the squiddys?
this is why he could defeat the sentinals
/Begin Quote
Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.
Neo: Where?
Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.
/end quote
You have to remember that the Machines spanned across the world. I would not be surprised if they themselves "lived" like Zionites do in the sewers and waste systems. Think about it. They do not require food or oxygen, they can rebuild tirelessly, they're all connected to the same network so that they all know when to be alert... And they do not suffer the aftershock of emotion like humans.
Eventually they must have created countermeasures against pinpoint bombing; they acquired lasers, that's for sure, so their accuracy with something like that must be perfect. And it would warrant such a massive ground assault by mankind if their missiles became ineffective.
Eventually they must have created countermeasures against pinpoint bombing; they acquired lasers, that's for sure, so their accuracy with something like that must be perfect. And it would warrant such a massive ground assault by mankind if their missiles became ineffective.
Serash wrote:
Silly humans...
No one ever made it out of the matrix. The "real" world is still part of the matrix. It was created for those humans whose mind would not believe the matrix. So they were "freed" to deal with the harsh "real world". It's pretty easy to rerun the matrix simulation. How do you think they got the multiple Neo's? They didn't clone him did they? Nope, because Mr. Anderson is still in a pod. One reboot and everyone's alive and it starts all over. He's back to being the one again. Maybe this time he'll be in love with Morphus and not Trinity. (ewwww) They're all still copper tops. Sorry.
actually I had a thought about this, which I got too in depth tbh 
When the Architect told Neo about his choice, he said that his code would be disasembled and he would have to choose a group of men and women from to rebuild Zion. I thought that he would choose from people within the matrix, the Neo in the films walked out of the door because he loved Trinity not "the rest of your species" as the Architect said, now the Architect made out that Neo would be saving Humanity by walking to the door where he would be decompiled and walking back to the matrix would be to Trinity and the end of his species, I think that the first One and the second, third, fouth and fifth One were Decompiled, they chose the men and women to rebuild Zion and they were set free in the Matrix, the Matrix was remade to the real, and a new Matrix was created within the Matrix. So the real world was a dream and the Dream was within a Dream. But they hadn't realized about the systemic anomaly at that time and when the second One emerged they had to make the matrix within the matrix the real and have a matrix within the virtual matrix.
When Neo was made the One they had envisioned he would be the same as the rest being in love with the rest of humanity pushing him to create the 7th Version. Yet Neo loved Trinity and went to save her, but because the Matrix hadn't developed to the point where smith emerged as Neo's Opposite they didn't forsee that it would cause much because the lives in the 6th Matrix were all virtual. As Smith spread he took over the 6th Matrix but the oracle said "he won't stop there" she said (I don't know the exact quote) that he wouldn't stop till there was nothing left or something similar, which could imply that Smith had plans to take over the other 5 Matrix's aswell.
Theory but possible.
pack-hunter wrote:
I have to say that your theory is really confused and I think it goes way outside of the intent of the writers. When you say the Matrix was "remade to the real"...I see nothing that supports that idea anywhere. Instead, the Matrix was reloaded each time, with changes that resulted from each new iteration of the prime program. Just as the machines had planned the One chose the 23 individuals from within the Matrix to populate the new Zion in the Real each time. You say that they "hadn't realized" about the systemic anomaly at that time, but in fact the "One" program itself was based on the Oracle's idea for dealing with the anomaly, the One is an embodiment of the anomaly (the problem of choice...those who think differently, who "keep trying to wake up"
around which like-minded rebels rally. As the machines, since you can't stop some people from waking up and rejecting the simulation, you find a way to allow them to wake up but in a way that you can control while they remain ignorant of that control.
Smith's "not stopping there...till there's nothing left" was referring to his virus spreading into the Real of the machine city, thus destroying their entire race. This was the reason why they agreed to Neo's deal to jack in and fight Smith to end the war, because he saved their butts too. Smith was a "bastard" because he was begot by the Oracle but not the Architect (mother but no father...not in union with him), and this was the nature of the "dangerous game" she played...the unbalancing risked not only the destruction of the Matrix, but of the entire machine race and herself.
actually I had a thought about this, which I got too in depth tbhWhere I came from we had a saying- no MWAMers! (Matrix-Within-A-Matrix theorizers), simply because there's no real support for it, and it can just go on with infinite speculation about the box-within-a-box-within-a-box...to the nth power.
When the Architect told Neo about his choice, he said that his code would be disasembled and he would have to choose a group of men and women from to rebuild Zion. I thought that he would choose from people within the matrix, the Neo in the films walked out of the door because he loved Trinity not "the rest of your species" as the Architect said, now the Architect made out that Neo would be saving Humanity by walking to the door where he would be decompiled and walking back to the matrix would be to Trinity and the end of his species, I think that the first One and the second, third, fouth and fifth One were Decompiled, they chose the men and women to rebuild Zion and they were set free in the Matrix, the Matrix was remade to the real, and a new Matrix was created within the Matrix. So the real world was a dream and the Dream was within a Dream. But they hadn't realized about the systemic anomaly at that time and when the second One emerged they had to make the matrix within the matrix the real and have a matrix within the virtual matrix.
When Neo was made the One they had envisioned he would be the same as the rest being in love with the rest of humanity pushing him to create the 7th Version. Yet Neo loved Trinity and went to save her, but because the Matrix hadn't developed to the point where smith emerged as Neo's Opposite they didn't forsee that it would cause much because the lives in the 6th Matrix were all virtual. As Smith spread he took over the 6th Matrix but the oracle said "he won't stop there" she said (I don't know the exact quote) that he wouldn't stop till there was nothing left or something similar, which could imply that Smith had plans to take over the other 5 Matrix's aswell.
Theory but possible.
I have to say that your theory is really confused and I think it goes way outside of the intent of the writers. When you say the Matrix was "remade to the real"...I see nothing that supports that idea anywhere. Instead, the Matrix was reloaded each time, with changes that resulted from each new iteration of the prime program. Just as the machines had planned the One chose the 23 individuals from within the Matrix to populate the new Zion in the Real each time. You say that they "hadn't realized" about the systemic anomaly at that time, but in fact the "One" program itself was based on the Oracle's idea for dealing with the anomaly, the One is an embodiment of the anomaly (the problem of choice...those who think differently, who "keep trying to wake up"
around which like-minded rebels rally. As the machines, since you can't stop some people from waking up and rejecting the simulation, you find a way to allow them to wake up but in a way that you can control while they remain ignorant of that control.Smith's "not stopping there...till there's nothing left" was referring to his virus spreading into the Real of the machine city, thus destroying their entire race. This was the reason why they agreed to Neo's deal to jack in and fight Smith to end the war, because he saved their butts too. Smith was a "bastard" because he was begot by the Oracle but not the Architect (mother but no father...not in union with him), and this was the nature of the "dangerous game" she played...the unbalancing risked not only the destruction of the Matrix, but of the entire machine race and herself.
Whoa, hold on a second...
I'm sure the Oracle will point out that Smith is the Architech's creation not hers; I believe the line is something like this:
Neo: "What is he?"
Oracle: "He is your opposite, your negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out"
So he's a balancing measure rather than an unbalancing one, so therefore a tool of the architech... Of course I may have it wrong, I'm already thinking too much on this (I won't write it down it'll be boring =p)