Morpheus Legacy - The Debate Continues

*Funny, I typed all this out with a note at the top that I felt some people were getting offended because they weren't keeping it in roleplay context, and Walrus had already locked the thread for just that. This is a continuation of "It's finally over..." but let's please keep it in roleplay!*

Now to address these FA "moles" - FA has never put a mole in any faction. We have had independent sources come to us with information in order to have our aid or warn us, but we've never planted another FA member in ANY faction, especially not Zionite.

As for dividing Zion, I believe that when other officers of Zion asked Outlaw about the matter, he said it wasn't any of their business. When we tried to get his side of the story, he shunned us. It was only when confronted publicly that ML attempted to explain their actions, and no proof has been given. Trying to keep Zion in the dark of your actions is what led to suspicion.

Can this be resolved? I feel that it can. There just needs to be a clear understanding of everyone's intentions. If ML cuts off their Cypherite ties completely (even if you think intel may suffer), I think that Zion can learn to trust them again. In turn, Zion can stop spying on their own and focus on what really matters (assuming that there are "moles in every Zion faction" or whatever). All of this is assuming that ML is still dedicated solely to the Zionite cause.

If you still can't grasp the distrust, imagine if you saw data captures of me discussing Niobe's demise with Cypherite operatives or even Veil. Imagine that you saw me laughing with the enemy about how Zion had no clue. You even saw me giving away Niobe's position. Wouldn't you be concerned? Oh, I think you'd have a hayday over the matter. If I were in your shoes and was doing this to gain intel, once my cover was blown I would have revealed myself to still be dedicated to Zion in one bloody battle. I would also share intel with my Zion brotherin to prove where my loyalties lie and that my risk was worth the gain. Instead what Zion saw after our confrontation is further proof of you claiming to be Cypherite (and the quote is "well-known Cypherite" while continuing to push Zion away for not trusting your "super duper secret" mission.

I'm sure there were things that could have been handled better on both ends, and it is time for some sort of resolution. Like I said, I don't personally have a problem with any ML, I just am not sure where they stand politically. If you can give me your word that the flirtation in other organizations is over, then we can put the whole matter behind us. I just don't want to see more data captures of the people I am supposed to trust in battle saying "Down with Zion!". I know that your concern is moles, so I can already assure you that FA has no mole in ML or any other Zion faction (or any faction for that matter =P).

Oh, and I am interested in seeing the historical documentation that is in development. Always nice to see people preserving a part of history!

There are always spies, there always have been there always will be. I never was a spy, my eyes were opened the day I saw zions prey on the weak. I just evened the odds, and those that can see the evil and corruption within zion will join the ranks of the merovingian and the machines, whichever one they feel needs their help the most

Tbone]

*Funny, I typed all this out with a note at the top that I felt some people were getting offended because they weren't keeping it in roleplay context, and Walrus had already locked the thread for just that. This is a continuation of "It's finally over..." but let's please keep it in roleplay!*

Now to address these FA "moles" - FA has never put a mole in any faction. We have had independent sources come to us with information in order to have our aid or warn us, but we've never planted another FA member in ANY faction, especially not Zionite.

Well this is good, ML hasn't planted any moles either and we never will.

As for dividing Zion, I believe that when other officers of Zion asked Outlaw about the matter, he said it wasn't any of their business. When we tried to get his side of the story, he shunned us. It was only when confronted publicly that ML attempted to explain their actions, and no proof has been given. Trying to keep Zion in the dark of your actions is what led to suspicion.

I have told many people, soooo many times what I have done, and they got pics to prove it. Talk with Called, Rhyse, Woodgrain, Synapze, and some others and they will tell ya. When someone has asked me, I have told them. I am sorry, but FA and SOTI can't be ML's babysitter. You guys aren't suppose to really know what happens in every single Zion faction. It isn't your concern. Do you ask Children of Zion or TPNS what they are doing all the time? I'm sure you don't. I give out intel to my fellow Zionists all the time, but since recent events have occured I haven't given intel to SOTI or FA. You think you actually deserve it after the accusations you put on my faction. You never really attempted to get my side of the story since the first accusation and my trial. Even if I did tell you, would you believe me? Nope.

Can this be resolved? I feel that it can. There just needs to be a clear understanding of everyone's intentions. If ML cuts off their Cypherite ties completely (even if you think intel may suffer), I think that Zion can learn to trust them again. In turn, Zion can stop spying on their own and focus on what really matters (assuming that there are "moles in every Zion faction" or whatever). All of this is assuming that ML is still dedicated solely to the Zionite cause.

A lot of Zionists still do trust me. It seems that the only ones that really can't trust me is a handful of Insurgence, FA, and SOTI. You guys need to learn that this is only hurting yourselves. There is nothing to gain from constantly coming after ML, it makes you look bad. Also if we had ties to cypherite factions, which we don't, and they needed to be cut off, then you need to cut off ties with SOTI since they are EPN. They may still be from Zion, but that was in the past and they are no longer following the same rules as Zion. They follow the Kid and Keterina now.

If you still can't grasp the distrust, imagine if you saw data captures of me discussing Niobe's demise with Cypherite operatives or even Veil. Imagine that you saw me laughing with the enemy about how Zion had no clue. You even saw me giving away Niobe's position. Wouldn't you be concerned? Oh, I think you'd have a hayday over the matter. If I were in your shoes and was doing this to gain intel, once my cover was blown I would have revealed myself to still be dedicated to Zion in one bloody battle. I would also share intel with my Zion brotherin to prove where my loyalties lie and that my risk was worth the gain. Instead what Zion saw after our confrontation is further proof of you claiming to be Cypherite (and the quote is "well-known Cypherite" while continuing to push Zion away for not trusting your "super duper secret" mission.

Yes, I would get down to the issue, but here I am. I have a guy who took screenshots of me and this same person happened to be the same guy who infiltrated ML and gave intel to SOTI or FA. Wouldn't you feel betrayed if you found that out? I'm sure the other factions wouldn't have liked that.

I'm sure there were things that could have been handled better on both ends, and it is time for some sort of resolution. Like I said, I don't personally have a problem with any ML, I just am not sure where they stand politically. If you can give me your word that the flirtation in other organizations is over, then we can put the whole matter behind us. I just don't want to see more data captures of the people I am supposed to trust in battle saying "Down with Zion!". I know that your concern is moles, so I can already assure you that FA has no mole in ML or any other Zion faction (or any faction for that matter =P).

I have no ties with anyone. I work with Zion, I fight for Zion, ML fights for humanity. According to Dagonet we are cypherite *unpleasant person* and Anome followers and I would expect more from a FA member. ML was also criticized by other FA members which we didn't find respectful. Another thing, you didn't trust my word before, what makes me think you will believe me now? How can I trust you? I have seen many other Zionists hang with reds, talk with reds, or just dance with reds while others are dying. Now in ML, if you don't help your comrades, you end up booted.

Oh, and I am interested in seeing the historical documentation that is in development. Always nice to see people preserving a part of history!

Red is my comments.

[FA wrote:

Tbone]

I have seen many other Zionists hang with reds, talk with reds, or just dance with reds while others are dying. Now in ML, if you don't help your comrades, you end up booted.

Well if you went uriah sw about 6-8 months ago you'd see me there hanging, dancing and chatting and even rezzing mervs who zion had just happened to zerg into the ground and I was the leader of a zion faction, I believe the term is called being friendly

Outlaw wrote:

[FA wrote:

Tbone]

I have seen many other Zionists hang with reds, talk with reds, or just dance with reds while others are dying. Now in ML, if you don't help your comrades, you end up booted.

Well if you went uriah sw about 6-8 months ago you'd see me there hanging, dancing and chatting and even rezzing mervs who zion had just happened to zerg into the ground and I was the leader of a zion faction, I believe the term is called being friendly 

For starters SOTI has not gone red. We are still SOTI-EPN and will be for as long as this server is up and running. Why would we throw away all the time spent as zion (dating back to BETA) same faction same members everything.

We only created a small 4 person faction to get a faction name under our names, to take out those whom we feel are not to be trusted, in this case it is ML.

For about a year we stood and watched the same thigns Tbone mentioned in his post, and like him us to felt decieved. So naturaly we called Outlaw out and made the ecidance clear for all to see.

We were aware some people would beleive it, others wouldn't.

The red faction is not to target zion although a few of them targeted us (understandable since they don't know the story behind it)

But let it be clear we want peace with zion, i have always helped zion, and it is why this was kept originally as RP. I have no problem with Outlaw54 and most of his members.

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Hahaha. Zion fight for freedom. E Pluribus Neo fight for freedom. Neo gave you the freedom to choose who to fight for. What do you do now? You fight amongst each other. What has your freedom given you?! Nothing but Chaos. Unlike you, there are those who will exploit the Chaos. Your weakness is our strength. Divided you shall fall. Whilst you are waiting for each other to stab you in the back, your true enemies shall consume you.

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Message to Morpheus' Legacy and their imperious leader Outlaw.

Morpheus was classified as a renegade and was to be arrested on sight by orders from Commander Lock. SO the fact that you are Mopheus' Legacy leads me to believe you do not follow Commander Lock and the Zion Council.

I did not say you were Cypherite *unpleasant person*, I said you ACTED like Cypherite *unpleasant person*. I also never said you were Anome followers. You put words in my mouth like that again and I'll put a fist in yours. You seem to believe that Morhpeus' Legacy is the epitome of a Zion faction. However, the Furious Angels have done far more things for the Matrix than you ever will. Don't deserve your intel? As Neo once told the Architect, **bullcrud**. We were here before you, and will be here after you leave the Matrix. Our loyalty lies directly with that of the Council and Commander Lock. We are not fanatic followers of Neo or Morpheus or anyone else for that matter. Your failure to cooperate with us is precisely what we report back to Zion and until we are told to trust you by our superiors, have leeway to question you and expect image captures or other hard evidence which will exhonerate you. Currently testimony is the only proof you have offered.

I praise Tbone for his generosity in this matter. That is one of the many reasons why he was given the position he has. Because of my respect for him and the task he has undertaken to act as a patcher in this situation, I will not make any more responses or topics concerning Morpheus' Legacy or any of its members. I look forward to a final resolution in this matter so that we will all know what side everyone is on.

LCDR Dagonet

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wow this deservers to be broken down too!

Dagonet wrote:

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Message to Morpheus' Legacy and their imperious leader Outlaw.

Morpheus was classified as a renegade and was to be arrested on sight by orders from Commander Lock. SO the fact that you are Mopheus' Legacy leads me to believe you do not follow Commander Lock and the Zion Council.

I did not say you were Cypherite *unpleasant person*, I said you ACTED like Cypherite *unpleasant person*.

Oh that's much better

I also never said you were Anome followers. You put words in my mouth like that again and I'll put a fist in yours.

Thats mighty big talk for a one eyed cowbow! (look into john wayne movies) 

You seem to believe that Morhpeus' Legacy is the epitome of a Zion faction. However, the Furious Angels have done far more things for the Matrix than you ever will.

HA! im gonna use the same line twice. Thats mighty big talk for a one eyed cowbow! (look into john wayne movies) 

Don't deserve your intel? As Neo once told the Architect, **bullcrud**. We were here before you, and will be here after you leave the Matrix. Our loyalty lies directly with that of the Council and Commander Lock. We are not fanatic followers of Neo or Morpheus or anyone else for that matter. Your failure to cooperate with us is precisely what we report back to Zion and until we are told to trust you by our superiors, have leeway to question you and expect image captures or other hard evidence which will exhonerate you. Currently testimony is the only proof you have offered.

I like this using famous movie qoutes... What we have here is a failure to communicate. (cool hand luke) Ya see my dago friend. You are putting yourself into a position of Authority. And which rightly you dont quite belong. We are your equals, not your underlings here. and honestly we do not report to you (and when i mean you, i mean FA) in anyway. and How about sharing information, on who killed Vashuo? oh no FA kept that info secret from ALL of Zion until the event was well over and done with and the results came in, even though we asked for it on our ZMF site which was 100% secure. Ya see it doesnt always work the way you want it to. huh?

I praise Tbone for his generosity in this matter. That is one of the many reasons why he was given the position he has. Because of my respect for him and the task he has undertaken to act as a patcher in this situation, I will not make any more responses or topics concerning Morpheus' Legacy or any of its members. I look forward to a final resolution in this matter so that we will all know what side everyone is on.

I look Forward to a resolution to this matter too. 

LCDR Dagonet

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Rxu wrote:

For starters SOTI has not gone red. We are still SOTI-EPN and will be for as long as this server is up and running. Why would we throw away all the time spent as zion (dating back to BETA) same faction same members everything.

We only created a small 4 person faction to get a faction name under our names, to take out those whom we feel are not to be trusted, in this case it is ML.

Hmm, How'd that go for you?

*conversation between Keterina and SOTI*
Keterina:sup guys?
SOTI:not much!bored,gone red.......u know,usuall stuff


Mature........................................................

Again, SOTI did not go red  only 4 of us did.... SOTI is not made of only 4 we are much bigger than that.

we still believe in the EPN way  Hence the name EPN Enforcement... Unfortunately  our targets had other zions assisting them  I dont blame those individuals for helping  heck after all the saw 3 machine guys attacking ML oh did i mention 3... yeah I did... the numbers were not on our side but i'm ok with that  because nothing pleased me more than running into ECW and seeing him hyper jump away and then getting involved when it was 6 on 1  hahaha  got to love the zerg.

Oh and Yuenwoping whats worse Going red to *CENSORED* a few people off or working behind the scene with cypherite giving away intel and trying to set up an assasination on a well known Zionist officer?. ummmmm errrrr hmmmmmmm..

I did not say you were Cypherite *unpleasant person*, I said you ACTED like Cypherite *unpleasant person*. I also never said you were Anome followers. You put words in my mouth like that again and I'll put a fist in yours. You seem to believe that Morhpeus' Legacy is the epitome of a Zion faction. However, the Furious Angels have done far more things for the Matrix than you ever will. Don't deserve your intel? As Neo once told the Architect, **bullcrud**. We were here before you, and will be here after you leave the Matrix. Our loyalty lies directly with that of the Council and Commander Lock. We are not fanatic followers of Neo or Morpheus or anyone else for that matter. Your failure to cooperate with us is precisely what we report back to Zion and until we are told to trust you by our superiors, have leeway to question you and expect image captures or other hard evidence which will exhonerate you. Currently testimony is the only proof you have offered.

yuenwoping wrote:

*conversation between Keterina and SOTI*
Keterina:sup guys?
SOTI:not much!bored,gone red.......u know,usuall stuff


Mature........................................................

Again, SOTI did not go red  only 4 of us did.... SOTI is not made of only 4 we are much bigger than that.

we still believe in the EPN way  Hence the name EPN Enforcement... Unfortunately  our targets had other zions assisting them  I dont blame those individuals for helping  heck after all the saw 3 machine guys attacking ML oh did i mention 3... yeah I did... the numbers were not on our side but i'm ok with that  because nothing pleased me more than running into ECW and seeing him hyper jump away and then getting involved when it was 6 on 1  hahaha  got to love the zerg.

Oh and Yuenwoping whats worse Going red to *CENSORED* a few people off or working behind the scene with cypherite giving away intel and trying to set up an assasination on a well known Zionist officer?. ummmmm errrrr hmmmmmmm..

#1: dont confuse the past with the present I didn't see an ex-commanding officer i saw a member or your faction and all i did was fire my subs,# 2: I never Stated I killed any ML During my little Red charade as you eloquently put it.  and last  #3 I'll make contact with my commander thank you..

yuenwoping wrote:

*conversation between Keterina and SOTI*
Keterina:sup guys?
SOTI:not much!bored,gone red.......u know,usuall stuff


Mature........................................................

Again, SOTI did not go red  only 4 of us did.... SOTI is not made of only 4 we are much bigger than that.

Coulda fooled me...And please, I know my opinion isn't welcome on this subject, but those who switch organizations on a whim are worse than those who are "supposed" spies. You don't know for sure no matter how much you accuse.

Regulus my good friend, I know you have been anxious for it's release but due to the sensitive content of our film ,there are a few reason why we should't release it.

The  timing was not right.

The people in charge of editing couldn't complete the task on time due to RL events, therefore delaying the films release and now with this attempt at co-existance it just wouldn't be proper for SOTI to release it.

Regulus my good friend, I know you have been anxious for it's release but due to the sensitive content of our film ,there are a few reason why we should't release it.

The  timing was not right.

The people in charge of editing couldn't complete the task on time due to RL events, therefore delaying the films release and now with this attempt at co-existance it just wouldn't be proper for SOTI to release it.

Yeah, we really have invested literally hundreds of hours in the project, and close to 100 RSIs have been filmed... mostly from ML, but about 5 other factions helped as well.

 Biggest thing we are doing now is all the crazy editing stuff... and trying to get about 30 hours of raw footage down to 3 6-8 minute segments... way more work than I thought at first.

I hope the community will like them when they are done.

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Hahaha. Zion fight for freedom. E Pluribus Neo fight for freedom. Neo gave you the freedom to choose who to fight for. What do you do now? You fight amongst each other. What has your freedom given you?! Nothing but Chaos. Unlike you, there are those who will exploit the Chaos. Your weakness is our strength. Divided you shall fall. Whilst you are waiting for each other to stab you in the back, your true enemies shall consume you.

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The thing i find funny about this topic is that no1 listened to sams transmission. He is right we were freed both zion and machine. The only foe is the frenchman. Well he is more of a threat to the machines (or so i know of) but then again human kind created the machines. We are a sort of God to them. Of course we are not as powerful as the god we worship i mean we got our a**s kicked. And then they became our sort of gods. They gave us a world and frankly it was a pretty sweet world. So we need to help each other out.

Now this war between FA and ML i think is even more stupid because you are both of the same faction. But im gonna blow u both in the knee cap with my halock pistol (not literally so dont beat me up ) First of all FA. Morpheus was wanted by comander lock but that guy didnt know s***. If he had his way we would all be sitting in a slummy apartment slurping on some soup. Morpheus kept on beliveing, even when the one HIMSELF didnt belive, and that was what eventually saved us.

And ML well i have heard many rumours about you i didnt belive at first. But then i was taking a stroll around Tabour Park North and i was jumped by 2 mervs (1 45 and another 40). While i was getting chased by these guys a lvl 50 ML member came over. I begged for help when i was being struck down by these mervs. He laughed. He just watched me die and laughed at me when i died. And i couldnt belive it when this legenary faction laughed as i was knifed and piston kicked.The mervs ran away. The ML member then said," Here mate ill rez you." He then ran away and came back and said,"HAHA you know when you have been tangoed"  That really pis*** me off.

 Then i realised its too long

So in conclusion........ehh................dammit i forgot where i was. Oh yeah stop fighting between ourselfs and start uniting to fight the true evil. The one that trapped neo, the one that killed morpheus and im pretty sure Smith didnt recreate himself (but that is what i think)

Thank you have a merry christmas

Samael wrote:

###Incoming Transmission###

Hahaha. Zion fight for freedom. E Pluribus Neo fight for freedom. Neo gave you the freedom to choose who to fight for. What do you do now? You fight amongst each other. What has your freedom given you?! Nothing but Chaos. Unlike you, there are those who will exploit the Chaos. Your weakness is our strength. Divided you shall fall. Whilst you are waiting for each other to stab you in the back, your true enemies shall consume you.

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And ML well i have heard many rumours about you i didnt belive at first. But then i was taking a stroll around Tabour Park North and i was jumped by 2 mervs (1 45 and another 40). While i was getting chased by these guys a lvl 50 ML member came over. I begged for help when i was being struck down by these mervs. He laughed. He just watched me die and laughed at me when i died. And i couldnt belive it when this legenary faction laughed as i was knifed and piston kicked.The mervs ran away. The ML member then said," Here mate ill rez you." He then ran away and came back and said,"HAHA you know when you have been tangoed"  That really pis*** me off.

In my life there are certain adages which ring true...

Words are just words, and despite all the talk in the world they will remain just that, words.   Until the eventuality of things sets in and you realize that actions are what are necessary to give meaning to what you say. 

I fight for Zion.  When Zion calls I answer.  When I see a fellow comrade in need I help.  If I must die in battle so that just one other may live, then I will lay that sacrifice at the foundation of Zion's alter, but I will do so with all the fury of the Angel that I follow.

I am Broin, a Furious Angel, and I fight for Zion, and none may ever question that fact, and none of any import ever will, for my words match my deeds. 

In my life there are certain adages which ring true...

Words are just words, and despite all the talk in the world they will remain just that, words.   Until the eventuality of things sets in and you realize that actions are what are necessary to give meaning to what you say. 

I fight for Zion.  When Zion calls I answer.  When I see a fellow comrade in need I help.  If I must die in battle so that just one other may live, then I will lay that sacrifice at the foundation of Zion's alter, but I will do so with all the fury of the Angel that I follow.

I am Broin, a Furious Angel, and I fight for Zion, and none may ever question that fact, and none of any import ever will, for my words match my deeds. 

In my life there are certain adages which ring true...

Words are just words, and despite all the talk in the world they will remain just that, words.   Until the eventuality of things sets in and you realize that actions are what are necessary to give meaning to what you say. 

I fight for Zion.  When Zion calls I answer.  When I see a fellow comrade in need I help.  If I must die in battle so that just one other may live, then I will lay that sacrifice at the foundation of Zion's alter, but I will do so with all the fury of the Angel that I follow.

I am Broin, a Furious Angel, and I fight for Zion, and none may ever question that fact, and none of any import ever will, for my words match my deeds. 

Thats a cool little pledge if i may say so.

And no doubt it's true.

ML is the most respected Zion faction that I know of for me, If I was ever to return to the gates of Zion I would ask to join their faction. FA is also a great faction however...certain members have become alittle over confident and cocky. Over confidence is a road to killing yourself and others around you, I hope those certain people don't bring down FA.

can't we all just get along?

can't we all just get along?

can't we all just get along? = NOPE

I think Colonel Mustard did it in the study with the candlestick...