Something thats been really bugging me lately.

20 posts · 2006-07-23 22:49:45 to 2006-08-01 22:07:18

#36300005288 07/23/2006 22:49:45 Something thats been really bugging me lately.
I had a realization a few days ago that i've been meaning to ask. Neo was assimulated by Smith, correct?

Then even IF Neo comes back, which i personally believe he won't, even though i am Zionist, wouldn't he still be overwritten by Smith?
#36300005336 07/24/2006 09:22:38 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
No.
#36300005524 07/24/2006 11:39:20 Something thats been really bugging me lately.
No, the infection was cleansed by the system. All those who were copied over by Smith were returned to their prior state.
#36300005582 07/24/2006 12:34:20 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.


   What's been bugging me about a possible return of Neo is the fact that the poor man will probably be a depressed shell of his former self.

   I wonder if the "Neo will come back" people realize that, if he did come back, it would be into a world without Trinity. SMILEY
#36300005637 07/24/2006 13:26:32 Something thats been really bugging me lately.
Some realize that and some just don't care.

SMILEY
#36300005642 07/24/2006 13:35:02 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

It is "against his wishes to return".

That may well be the very reason why.

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#36300006237 07/25/2006 09:49:12 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
The 'One' will probably come back but it won't be neo because the gift (or you could think of it as a curse) has to move on to another person, which I thought would be that Sarah person from a mission item but nothing has been heard from her since.
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#36300006325 07/25/2006 13:03:36 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
^ Thats a good point.

Plus, i doubt Neo would have wanted everyone to be chasing his RSI and what Morpheus was doing.

~ J
#36300007165 07/26/2006 13:59:36 Something thats been really bugging me lately.
Mon May 01 20:07:50 2006 [Area] Oracle: There have been other Ones, you know--before him.
Mon May 01 20:08:04 2006 [Area] Oracle: He was different, though. He changed the game.
Mon May 01 20:08:28 2006 [Area] Vaico: But he was the true one. Exceeding all limitations of body and mind at the end.
Mon May 01 20:08:43 2006 [Area] Oracle: Maybe... Or maybe he made it so that you don't need another One anymore. That was the old way the system worked.
Mon May 01 20:08:54 2006 [Area] Oracle: Neo stopped the cycles.

Mon May 01 20:43:07 2006 [Area] Oracle: The next logical step was to destroy Zion, reset the Matrix. That's how it used to work. Neo changed that. He stopped the deaths.

Mon May 01 20:44:03 2006 [Area] Oracle: Machines can have gods too.
Mon May 01 20:46:58 2006 [Area] Zeniph: You could say we're THEIR gods.
Mon May 01 20:47:01 2006 [Area] Zeniph: We created them..
Mon May 01 20:47:32 2006 [Area] Oracle: Haha! Bright boy. But don't go thinking too highly of yourselves.

The Machines don't want to give Neo back. It's like the Christians handing over Christ relics willingly. Never going to happen.

Neo doesn't want to come back. He has no family left. He has no purpose left. The goals that mankind needs to reach can no longer be reached by One. The Many must make the journey now.

There is no reason Neo should be dead right now, no one else died from being Smithified. Everyone returned to normal. I've only heard of Programs being permanently affected from the Smithiplication process, but they still appear to be themselves.
#36300007357 07/26/2006 17:25:35 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
True but it was through Neo that he was blown to "smithereens" - a process that he could well not have survived.
#36300007393 07/26/2006 18:05:16 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
Neo is most likely dead. Possiblity that he is not, but most likely dead.

Neo and Smith were positive and Negative. One cannot exist without the other. Smith is still out there, but the actual Smith that we new is probably gone, meaning Neo is too.

The only things that are left behind for sure is The One and The Negative One.
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#36300008666 07/27/2006 10:49:56 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

Minuend hit it right, people think that this is the 7th instance of the third Matrix, but it is in fact a new edition of the Matrix, a fourth version. The third Matrix's fulcrum, it's center, was the Systemic Anomaly (The One). Each One, when faced with the Architect's chose, choose the Source. Neo chose the Matrix, or more importantly, Trinity. The purpose of the one is to return to the Source, he chose differently, he broke the cycle, the reason for the One ended because of this.

There will never be another One, not in the way we all know. If a One does ascend, it will be to match this Version of the Matrix.

#36300008717 07/27/2006 12:21:41 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
Shadow Griever wrote:

Minuend hit it right, people think that this is the 7th instance of the third Matrix, but it is in fact a new edition of the Matrix, a fourth version. The third Matrix's fulcrum, it's center, was the Systemic Anomaly (The One). Each One, when faced with the Architect's chose, choose the Source. Neo chose the Matrix, or more importantly, Trinity. The purpose of the one is to return to the Source, he chose differently, he broke the cycle, the reason for the One ended because of this.

That's one way to put it.  Another way to put it is that the 3rd matrix allowed for choice but operated by trying to counter choices made.  This 4th matrix does not.  You are allowed to live anyway you choose.
#36300008828 07/27/2006 14:57:52 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
No, this is the 7th instance of The Matrix. The first two Matrices are not counted as a part of the previous sixth because they highly differ, totally diffrent simulations, one was a fairy tale land and one was a war torn simulation.

This Matrix is grouped with the other six Matrices because it is still under the same section if you will.
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#36300008856 07/27/2006 15:36:12 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

Well, I would have to say that revolutions is mainly the 7th version of the 3rd matrix. Once the matrix is reset again, giving wake to the time of "gift". That if this refers to the version of the Matrix where we as operatives can freely choose our organization, the rules have changed, so it would be the 4th version of the Matrix.

How long do you expect this peace to last?

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#36300011060 07/30/2006 12:42:44 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

How do you say?

"This is the 6th version" (Architect)

MxO is not "in the same section" as the third matrix that you see in the movies.  There are some big differences.

#36300011082 07/30/2006 13:05:31 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

What ever happened to EDIT?! SMILEY

Anyway.  The clue that this is a totally different Matrix is shown at the end of Revolutions, where we see it re-written if you will.  There are different ways of interacting with the simulation.

Btw.  All of them are "fairy-tale".

#36300011294 07/30/2006 16:37:35 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

Don't forget every time the servers go down. =p Including Beta, technically. Unofficially. Iunno, ask Walrus.

Truce: Until people wisen up about all the Smithpills in the background. Don't tell me you forgot the Recursion event already?

Neo: Dead. See •Sarah Edmontons.

Smith: Deleted. See •Cryptos Recording.

#36300013302 08/01/2006 13:25:21 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.
neo will not return because he is not gone...he evolved into the matrix itsself and being part of the matrix he is everywhere and in everyone...sure he doesent have an rsi but hes still outthere somewhere and his body is prolly in a prison seperated from the rest of the matrix
#36300013705 08/01/2006 22:07:18 Re:Something thats been really bugging me lately.

Why do we search for the dead among the living?

Neo - alive or dead, it makes no difference. I think he's dead; but even if he's alive, he is blind, and powerless. Once he returned to the Source (just as Prophecy said he would, mind you), he was disconnected from it and thereby lost his power.

The One, however, will return. Neo was the One, but the One is not Neo.

The One was a systemic anomaly (a unique abberation to the system of equations) that was the result of the eventuality of an unbalanced equation in the gargantuan mathematical simulation known as the Matrix. So saith the Architect.

In plain english, the anomaly is result of a giant math problem that just doesn't equal out. Most of the time, the math of the Matrix works. Eventually, however, thanks to the addition of choice, it boils down to a final equation that doesn't come out to 1=1. Now, how the h*ll does this result in a superhuman capable of rewriting the cade of the Matrix? It results in a human connected to, and empowered by, the Source. The Machines (read: The Architect) require the anomaly to return to the Source to be disconnected, after he has done his duty of restoring Zion, thus allowing the Machines to balance the equation. Then, left powerless, the One is simply a man.

Matrix versions were completely different, such as the version that was "perfect" (maybe everybody lived in trees, and never went hungry?). This last version of the Matrix, the one we are currently in, is the one that involves choice. It is the only version that has worked. By all accounts, there have been six systemic anamolies, including Neo.  So, all six iterations of the anamoly have been in this version, because the anomaly is a direct result of adding the infinite variables of choice into a finite mathematical equation. And because choice is still very much a part of this version of the Matrix (hence, our newly-Awakened redpills), it is highly likely that the equation will once again become unbalanced and result in another systemic anomaly.

Just because Neo changed the cycle, through choice, did not mean he ended it completely. He only ended the cycles as we know them. As the Oracle knew them.

We may see Neo again; perhaps he will surface as a blind prophet. But if we do, he will no longer be "The One".