Just so I know for 100% sure...
I'm getting all the cash back for my abilities....
But I have to go run around and get the frags for them?
So... I should be out getting frags like mad then to get my abilites back?
OMG! I gotta get red frags!
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Short Answer: Not really.
Long Answer: You might want to get a couple here and there. As far as I understand it, we'll just get every ability that can be leveled set to level 1, and getting refunded the value of the downgrades. Still, a few trees have new abilities (Awakened and the Spy ones especially) plus, some abilities that you may have never coded (Harmful Code 1.0 comes to mind) are now rather useful.
So stock up a bit on some Awakened frags for you and your factionmates (Determination was probably the only one I used a frag for, an Object) and the frags for whatever tree(s) you like.
Oh... and Clothing frags, you're gonna need them.
Long Answer: You might want to get a couple here and there. As far as I understand it, we'll just get every ability that can be leveled set to level 1, and getting refunded the value of the downgrades. Still, a few trees have new abilities (Awakened and the Spy ones especially) plus, some abilities that you may have never coded (Harmful Code 1.0 comes to mind) are now rather useful.
So stock up a bit on some Awakened frags for you and your factionmates (Determination was probably the only one I used a frag for, an Object) and the frags for whatever tree(s) you like.
Oh... and Clothing frags, you're gonna need them.
Actually I had brought this up in another thread
http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=CR20Abil&message.id=724
Still waiting for an answer, and you forgot the Abilities that are no
longer being used at all in the Matrix. Hopefully we can get an
answer from a Dev on this.
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The only ones I can think of off the top of my head is Hyper-Strength now, every levelable ability is still there it seems (although Spy ones are now in very different places).
They are there now, but only for our testing. When it goes live they will
all go and we will get info for them. That is why I was worried about them.
As far as I know it is all abilities that are going to be removed from your char
and you will have to get them again, not just the levelable ones.
all go and we will get info for them. That is why I was worried about them.
As far as I know it is all abilities that are going to be removed from your char
and you will have to get them again, not just the levelable ones.
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Resetting all levelable abilities to lvl1 and refunding the info should do the trick - I see no need (and alot of hassleand grumpy players) if they completely remove all abilities.
Devs, could we get confirmation on how this "refund" is being done?
I'm in the camp where I'd like to see all levellable abilities returned to level 1, with the info cost refunded. I do, however, want to keep all of my abilities so I can just re-level them if I choose to (barring, of course, any abilities that don't exist any more).
I really don't think there's anyone out there who wants to have to hunt red frags all over again.. heck, even if we got all of our used red frags back in their uncoded form, it would still be a major pain to have to code all of those abilities again.
Message Edited by ShinryuMxO on 03-20-200609:49 PM
I am FREAKING out about this ability refund thing (me freak out? no way!)
is it going to happen or not?? if they are looking for a way to make it happen, this is my suggestion:
allow the player to recycle the abilities, and have the recycle compute the level of the ability and give the amount back in full. this way the player can choose what (if any) trees/abilities they no longer want, and should reduce the gripage from players who want to keep the trees they have. for example, i will most likely keep my fu, mkt, karate, *CENSORED*., and coder trees, but i'll most likely scrap my hacker trees. (yeah i have too many **bleep** trees ps increase the code archive per player lol)
at this point i don't care about the frags, they are not hard to get and frankly i have a stockpile lol. (plus it'll boost business for TBM woot)
Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-21-200611:24 AM
I found this that I had put in my thread on this topic already
http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=CR20Abil&message.id=724
Pretty much it states that ALL Abilities will be refunded ie you
have to buy them again or in the case of them being not buyable
you have to hunt up the red frags and code bits again so that
you can make them. This is a big problem because it says
that your first hunting for red frags was a big waste of your time
and for those people that are not coders you now need to find
someone to code the non buyable abilities for you all over again.
"Designer Journal 03 – Part Two- 01/05/2006
"Ability Codes Post CR2.0
Surprisingly, I haven’t seen anyone asking about Abilities and
Ability Codes. The decisions regarding Abilities were more
difficult than those about items. Simply put, we are refunding the
Information values of all the Abilities on your characters and the
cost of leveling them (if they are levelable).
I understand this is not an ideal choice for everyone, but it is the
most logical and feasible. All Abilities with any combat value have
been touched, so the odds are that a few players may no longer
want a particular Ability for one reason or another. Refunding
Information gives everyone a clean slate to make new choices."
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works for me, i think most people code or at least are able to get a pal to code for them, and red frags really aren't that tuff to farm... although if you don't have any abilities to farm with lol
as the op says, get yer frags now
Looks like a fairly old post there.
Here's how it's going to work:
We are not automatically taking away anything. In some cases, abilities have been converted into new abilities and if you had the old one, you'll automatically have the new one (such as with Avoidance, which has now become Overclock).
In the case of abilities that simply don't exist any more, I'm not sure exactly what form the refund will take.
Here's how it's going to work:
We are not automatically taking away anything. In some cases, abilities have been converted into new abilities and if you had the old one, you'll automatically have the new one (such as with Avoidance, which has now become Overclock).
In the case of abilities that simply don't exist any more, I'm not sure exactly what form the refund will take.
Ahhh, that is good to know. I won't have to rebuild my spy tree or fill-in-the-blanks on my Arbalest tree. Thanks for the info HCF.
HCFrog wrote:
Looks like a fairly old post there.
Here's how it's going to work:
We are not automatically taking away anything. In some cases, abilities have been converted into new abilities and if you had the old one, you'll automatically have the new one (such as with Avoidance, which has now become Overclock).
In the case of abilities that simply don't exist any more, I'm not sure exactly what form the refund will take.
uh fairly old? from january, and frankly the last we heard about it. it would be nice if you guys read your own design journals and kept us updated about things as big as having our entire ability databases refunded.
/frownyface
As someone who doesn't own every tree atm, there is the additional problem associated with the redistribution of abilities. I now have specific abilities buried way down in tree's I a haven't even begun, while its possible I will own the lot in the fullness of time it is by no means a priority and I would much rather trade them for abilities in the tree's I do plan to use...might this be possible at any stage.
Likewise with so many abilities now uncapped and requiring levelling to 50 (in some cases where they didnt level at all before) there is a significant $i cost involved, any plans to assist with this burden? (hopefully not by more missions)
Thank you for the response, HCFrog.
I'm sorry, you want us to... what? Read our own journals? I don't understand
Bethlahem wrote:uh fairly old? from january, and frankly the last we heard about it. it would be nice if you guys read your own design journals and kept us updated about things as big as having our entire ability databases refunded.
/frownyface
I guess it just seems like January was a really long time ago, and I thought for sure someone had come and made a statement about it since then. Sorry.
/sheepishgrin
No one had done that yet HCFrog, that was why i had started a thread before this one
HCFrog wrote:
I guess it just seems like January was a really long time ago, and I thought for sure someone had come and made a statement about it since then. Sorry.
/sheepishgrin
on the topic, but happy to at least get an answer here. At least we know that we do not
have to farm our lives away
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lol, YA read yer design journals (that's what they were called there on dn1 for a while) and nope, i never did see anyone post anything new about it. i tried asking twice in the ask a dev thread around page 125 or so (i do display 50 msg per page) but i never saw a response (no biggie there, i know it's gotta be rough tryin to answer everything; and i'm glad you try at all!)
anyway... i think i was just peeved since i've spent the last couple of months farming frags in anticipation of this. /shrug. i can just sell em
Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-22-200602:55 PM
ok im not bothered about the frags as i have enough to make every ability like 10times over....however for some reason i have 2 copies of most of my abilities and i would appreciate it if there was a vendor avaliable for the next month (while we get used to the system) which will allow us to trade in any abilities for info.
To allow choice to us the vendor could only accept ability codes that are in our inventory, and for all those vector peeps that will be camping this collectors there could be one near every booster dish or hardline...
To allow choice to us the vendor could only accept ability codes that are in our inventory, and for all those vector peeps that will be camping this collectors there could be one near every booster dish or hardline...
Well it seems that the general consensus (based on previous official statements) that all our "levelable" abilities would be set back to one and we would get back our cash - which I would have loved cause then I could have leveled i.e. Awakened in no sweat and hold off on a tree that I never really used much anyway (like Vector or Data Miner) - instead now I have to pretty much spend all my money that I currently have to level up new abilities and old ones that I DID spend cash on (such has Hyperstrength) just disappeared and the money went down the toilet....
yea i would like that also
wow great job. now im f'ed in the butt cause i dont have 50 million info to spend on leveling the important skills up. Great! did they not realize they nerfed ALL THE COMBAT ABILITIES THAT MEAN ANYTHING! No longer can karate be 30 and have karate grandmaster. now you have to have karate to 50 for the bonuses, and all the other crap to 50 also.
Did it also ever occur to you that some of us dont have two hundred hours to spend farming for info so we never did level the base abilities that only gave 20 points of damage, but now give us all of our bonuses? I guess not, becuase you wont give us any money.
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/end rant
booya vendor refunding leveled abilities/no longer used abilities (zen) coming up
Bethlahem wrote:booya vendor refunding leveled abilities/no longer used abilities (zen) coming up
Sorry, that's not good enough. My apologies if I'm repeating myself here, but.....
Okay, I went into this thing with 30 million and now with all the new Awakened Abilities from 1-50 and all the level cap removals I'm completely wiped out.
I worked hard for a year to earn these abilities and pay to level them up, now you're forcing us to sell perfectly good abilities and that's just patently unfair. I just won't do it, on general priinciple.
Forget about farming, that's gonna take 3 times longer now, while at the exact same time learning a brand new system.
I insist we be paid something, maybe a million per level per character (at least). This is your guys' baby, don't stick us with the bill for it.
People, think about what you're saying. You're capitulating / making compromises with the devs when the problem isn't our fault in the first place. Stick up for yourselves....you pay $15 a month for this service; I thought we paid our money to have fun not to grind endlessly for $70 million info just to keep what you already had in the first place.
I don't see much of an issue, the only one would be for coder, Well if you don't have coder, then make coder. Yes the red frag situation will suck, due to many people needing them. If I may suggest, for the next month or so increase, as in like one drops every 2-3 kills, the ammount of red frag drops, or put them on special vendors for a reasonable price for a short time. Villemar makes a good point, SOE you are revamping the system, at least make it as painless as possible for us. And NO, forced frag farming doesn't count as new content. 
... your griping is worse than mine, and that's saying something!
they are increasing the drop rate of red frags, they are buying back abilities at level cost, (i've sent a pm to rare begging for an $info boost week or something)
frankly, you are not going to be able to play multiple trees (as well as old system anyway) so preen your trees down to either ma, hack, thrown, or ballistic. yes it sucks that we all can't be hacking gunslinging kungfu experts who know how to code, but what can you do? quit if you don't wanna play anymore! lol
choose a tree, set your attributes, sell your others. or keep two and have a att hack in inventory at all times. /shrug. frankly i think it's ok. vector was pretty interesting last night. mara c was pvp central as usual, but elsewhere people were discussing builds, still doing some testing, helping code, hell motohax was a mobile concert shirt vendor lmao!
what i did notice was a variety of builds. some have their assassin builds, some running ma hybrids, some still hack etc. i think it will be a more diverse community with less devfields (sweet) and more face to face fighting.
Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-29-200611:37 AM
>And NO, forced frag farming doesn't count as new content.
LOL true.
Bethlahem wrote:... your griping is worse than mine, and that's saying something!
they are increasing the drop rate of red frags, they are buying back abilities at level cost, (i've sent a pm to rare begging for an $info boost week or something)
frankly, you are not going to be able to play multiple trees (as well as old system anyway) so preen your trees down to either ma, hack, thrown, or ballistic. yes it sucks that we all can't be hacking gunslinging kungfu experts who know how to code, but what can you do? quit if you don't wanna play anymore! lol
choose a tree, set your attributes, sell your others. or keep two and have a att hack in inventory at all times. /shrug. frankly i think it's ok. vector was pretty interesting last night. mara c was pvp central as usual, but elsewhere people were discussing builds, still doing some testing, helping code, hell motohax was a mobile concert shirt vendor lmao!
what i did notice was a variety of builds. some have their assassin builds, some running ma hybrids, some still hack etc. i think it will be a more diverse community with less devfields (sweet) and more face to face fighting.
Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-29-200611:37 AM
Bethlehem we need to have the tools to test which is best for us in the first place before we start chopping down trees. I don't wan't to commit to "I'm never gonna be a haxor the rest of my life" before I even start the process. I mean, we still get an RSI hack. Removing choice in any situation is always bad and choice is the best thing about MxO. And do you wanna miss events cause you're too busy out farming (refer to above quote....lol)
Fortunately, my faction has enough saved for a rainy day to get our group through this hump. But it's the principle of the matter.
I'd say a million per character per server would be per...fect.
One thing though, in walrus's post he said we lost nothing. What about the skills like "Find Weakness in the spy tree" where before CR2 we leveled it to level 50 now it is a buff with no levels. From what I heard the other trees have the same type of ability swap's. That is a big info loss specially those that have leveled them to 50.