Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

#34800000872 04/12/2006 14:39:10 Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussing Update 42 Hotfix, scheduled to release Thursday, April 13, 2006. You can find the notes here.

#34800000873 04/12/2006 14:54:01 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Suplex now has its DPS more in line with other Spy abilities.

Thank You:smileyhappy:

#34800000874 04/12/2006 14:54:02 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

In-game emails will no longer be automatically deleted from the system. (If you can't see all of yours, it's because you are a pack rat and never delete your old emails.)

Just to clarify, does this mean that emails will *never* be automatically deleted from the system? Not after 30 days, 1 year, 5 years, etc.? Sorry, but I've been burned before. :smileymad:

#34800000875 04/12/2006 15:00:52 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Good about the email thing but what if I want to be a packrat? Heck I've got emails from 5/6 years ago still. :p

Nice little hotfix though.

Jeffers

Message Edited by jeffers on 04-13-2006 12:01 AM

#34800000876 04/12/2006 15:04:45 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I take it you are also fixing the part when you have coder ability loaded and you use a gun and click on the martial arts to go into close combat the gun does not unload you have to put up the coder ability icon in your hot bar and click on it to change to martial arts. but it also shows your gun in speed, power and grab, while your martial arts icon is flashing. isn't martial arts suppose to be a melee ability and not a free fire.

FINALTOM

#34800000877 04/12/2006 15:18:07 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

this looks like an awesome hotfix!!! can't wait to recycle these trees im not using!

#34800000878 04/12/2006 16:13:46 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Excellent, I can finally properly level my abilities. Lots of nice
little fixes there, especially the Suplex and Coder Style ones.

#34800000879 04/12/2006 16:31:57 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Who are you and what have you done with Walrus! There wasnt any funny * Snuck into the bug fix list!!!!

#34800000880 04/12/2006 16:35:31 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

#34800000881 04/12/2006 16:36:17 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I am happy they lowered the damage on the suplex, I still believe it should not cause daze or stagg 100% of the time.....

#34800000882 04/12/2006 18:16:06 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Dunno if anybody knows this, but it never hurts to ask. What was the DPS on Suplex before, and what is it now?

I may need to tweak my Spy loadout...:smileywink:

#34800000883 04/12/2006 18:31:05 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

This sounds like a great hotfix...Zen Master also should be refundable.

However, I did notice while trying to transfer it between characters via email, that you couldn't for some reason.

#34800000884 04/12/2006 18:33:55 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Walrus wrote:
The Duelist passive Ability now properly gives 5% Ballistic Defense Bonus instead of 5pts.

By Passive do you mean I automatically get it when have duelist or when I turn it on?

#34800000885 04/12/2006 20:19:19 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Being able to sell abilities for the cost of leveling should have the double-edged benefit of making the Code Archive no longer too small... as you can now sell the trees you rarely use... and always recraft and relevel them if you need to.

w00tage!

#34800000886 04/12/2006 21:19:13 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Madbent wrote:

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

/agree

#34800000887 04/12/2006 21:43:28 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Peer 2.0 wrote:

Being able to sell abilities for the cost of leveling should have the double-edged benefit of making the Code Archive no longer too small... as you can now sell the trees you rarely use... and always recraft and relevel them if you need to.

w00tage!

Unfortunately there are no trees I "never" use. SMILEY

I transfered my Proxy and Utility Trees to my alt a long time ago to make space in the code storage. But now I would actually like to get them back since they are sort of fun again under CR2 - but since I know that then I have like 8 spots open for frags, bits and recipes I guess that won't be possible. Code storage needs to be increased - nuff said.

#34800000888 04/12/2006 22:02:15 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

walrus is there any way you can keep the ability buying venors and the red frag drop like this a littel long maybe a week, its spring break for alot of users and i think having these two things happen during spring break is kinda trying to minimize the use of it. i for one will only be able to have two days to sell the abilities i dont want and farm for red frags to code the abilities i do want.
please if there is any way could you keep it for at least until next thursday, everyone please agree wiht this so maybe they will.

#34800000889 04/12/2006 23:15:56 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Roukan wrote:

By Passive do you mean I automatically get it when have duelist or when I turn it on?

Its passive roukan, its applied when you have duelist ability on without the actual duelist upgrade buff.

Good update, now to see what i might want to sell of.

#34800000890 04/12/2006 23:26:23 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Good fix but you guys forgot about the Death Effect issue and the IS drain issue.

#34800000891 04/13/2006 00:54:05 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Good about the email thing but what if I want to be a packrat? Heck I've got emails from 5/6 years ago still. :p

Get yourself Fraps and use its built in screen shot feature =)

#34800000892 04/13/2006 01:24:15 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

donvito11 wrote:
walrus is there any way you can keep the ability buying venors and the red frag drop like this a littel long maybe a week, its spring break for alot of users and i think having these two things happen during spring break is kinda trying to minimize the use of it. i for one will only be able to have two days to sell the abilities i dont want and farm for red frags to code the abilities i do want.
please if there is any way could you keep it for at least until next thursday, everyone please agree wiht this so maybe they will.

The patch notes said the red frag drops will be increased until April 25th - which is like almsot 2 weeks from today and it didn't say anything about the vendors not buying back abilities after a certain date

#34800000893 04/13/2006 03:12:15 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

the vendors buying the abilitys back for the proper ammount is a permanent change.. it would make sense for them to pay the proper ammount...

they nerfed suplex it looks like... hopefully it onley does like 5 damage now SMILEY

#34800000894 04/13/2006 04:34:44 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

the servers went up and there is no patch.. the hotfix never happened... late on the april fools joke there devs? lol SMILEY

#34800000895 04/13/2006 04:44:59 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Madbent wrote:

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

Yeah dont forget to burn the spies its an absolute priority that the Spy tree is rendered completely ineffective before you even look at any of the other tree's!

#34800000896 04/13/2006 05:06:05 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Red frags increased? Been farming for 10 - 15 mins now and nothing...

#34800000897 04/13/2006 05:06:27 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Madbent wrote:

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

Yeah dont forget to burn the spies its an absolute priority that the Spy tree is rendered completely ineffective before you even look at any of the other tree's!

Point taken - but you have to admit that there is something wrong when one of the most "crippling" abilities in the spy tree is one that you can get at like lvl 10. When Spies are around I get hit by more Neuro Darts than anything else....

#34800000898 04/13/2006 05:08:14 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

d00mninja wrote:
the servers went up and there is no patch.. the hotfix never happened... late on the april fools joke there devs? lol

Well - considering we were supposed to have a server restart on Tueday I think - and that was forgotten and then done on Wednesday I'd say it's a good possibility that the person in charge of applying the hotfix this morning (again) called in sick, was late to work - or was held captive in the bathroom by explosive diarrhea.

#34800000899 04/13/2006 05:24:55 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Weird. The Hotfix notes appear at launching, but the vendors still don't refund me the whole value of a leveled up ability, like Hyper Strength. I tried with each vendor available, but club wendors. Are we sure there's a hotfix online Walrus?

TekMon, The New Order

#34800000900 04/13/2006 05:54:13 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I don't think the Hotfix was actually added in. For shame!

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#34800000901 04/13/2006 05:58:24 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

i dont think so either, a lvl 50 ability i appraised it and it was only 100 info.. they need to fix this soon lol

#34800000902 04/13/2006 06:12:09 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Maybe its a late April Fools Joke or a teaser like Chris Tarrent on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

"There it is, a Hot fix, But we dont wanna give you that..."

#34800000903 04/13/2006 06:14:34 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

to the Devs:

Dudes, I don't care when the patches, hotfixes, etc are going to be
ready, but for goodness sake--IMPLEMENT THEM WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE GOING
TO BE IMPLEMENTED. Otherwise, don't say anything at all...

#34800000904 04/13/2006 07:22:15 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

or at least give us a message saying "sorry the hotfix has been delayed." Communication is a wonderful thing.

#34800000905 04/13/2006 07:23:49 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

From what I gather nothing changes.... hopefully get some response on when to expect it and/or what happened.

#34800000906 04/13/2006 07:45:44 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

1 of 2 things must have happened.

1. There was an unexpected error with the patch and they didnt want to publish it yet.

or

2. There was another miscommunication and the people who were suppose
to release it thought it was going to be released another day.

There is the chance that they forgot too, but there is also a chance
that they waited the extra day to fix the code infection crap.

#34800000907 04/13/2006 08:40:11 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

There was a problem deploying the Update 42 Hotfix this morning which resulted in the update not being applied to the game. The team is looking into the issue and we will attempt to deploy Update 42 Hotfix tomorrow morning, Friday, April 14.

*blinks*

woops

:smileyindifferent:

Message Edited by kahless2001 on 04-13-2006 05:41 PM

#34800000908 04/13/2006 13:04:34 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Why haven't u fixed the stun bug?

When you die. Recon or rez and then come back. Some times you get stuck wit hte stun ability on you. You cant do anything. Nothing works. So you /suicide and the problems fixed.

That should be fixed. Its a huge problem. I almost missed out on a box 4 because of that bug.

Thx!

#34800000909 04/13/2006 22:43:10 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Madbent wrote:

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

Yeah dont forget to burn the spies its an absolute priority that the Spy tree is rendered completely ineffective before you even look at any of the other tree's!

Naw, some of the DPS of the IL Spy abils could be higher... but the bugged neuro dart with a short reuse timer and backroll escape with no timer and 90% effectiveness is not balance. Both should gave a 60 second timer.

#34800000910 04/13/2006 22:44:26 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

dmaximum1 wrote:

Madbent wrote:

Nice hotfix.

I guess in the next one we will see the code infection fixes and the MS Exploit... ?

Still lots of fixes needed to the Spy Tree - hopefully too we will see Neuro Dart with a single timer and longer reuse time, and maybe even give like a 60 sec timer on Back Roll Escape... the perma-root and 90% chance of rollouts kinda make IL builds useless.

/agree

Kinda surprised you agree... you guys won 200+ mil with this stuff. But thanks.

#34800000911 04/14/2006 03:07:29 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

xAJx wrote:
Maybe its a late April Fools Joke or a teaser like Chris Tarrent on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

"There it is, a Hot fix, But we dont wanna give you that..."

Haha, very good!

#34800000912 04/14/2006 05:44:48 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

The howitzer area radius is way too nerf. Now as someone who's been using the loadout since cr2 went live, I agree it did need to get nerfed, but not this nerfed. The radius is as big as it was before the patch when I didn't have Howitzer upgrade loaded. This nerf seems like a sick joke. It also seems as if the bonuses aren't being taken in correctly. I have a 23% area radius, and it's only going about 6m around the target, which is deafult.

#34800000913 04/14/2006 08:22:53 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I agree with the Sepster about the AOE nerf....while being able to take the whole of Stratford from the centre of the square was a tad excessive, but I think it's been reduced a little too much. I'd like confirmation on the area radius bonus too - it would appear to make no difference to me.

I can see the flames already - "But you complained it was too big, now you complain it's too small! Make your mind up!". I only use Hacker for farming, and now that Miasma isn't a looped ability, luring lots of NPCs to one area to take them all out in one go is a pain in the arse now.

Top marks for the rest of the patch though...just my tuppence.

*CENSORED*

#34800000914 04/14/2006 08:55:53 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Ignore the bit about Miasma....I was being a noob lol.

#34800000915 04/14/2006 10:55:15 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I agree with the previous posters, The AoE has been hit pretty hard with this hotfix. Admittedly, it did need to be taken down a notch or two. As it stands now tho, when using the Howlitzer upgrade (a 10% bonus) and the ability Range Booster (12% bonus) you would only see about a 2m increase on an ability that had a 10m AoE, right now, most are in the ballpark of 5m, so you would only see a 1m increase. Seems a little low, when in the old system Range booster itself gave a 5m increase.

#34800000916 04/14/2006 12:47:02 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

From what I have seen so far, It looks like the bonus % are not even being applied. With or without Howitzer upgrade and/or Range Booster, the Area Radius stays the same :smileyindifferent:

#34800000917 04/14/2006 13:34:34 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I'm going to agree with the radius buffs not working correctly. I did the test as well and saw no difference in the radius with and without. This nerf was excessive but at the same time the radius before was insane. It was like I ordered a Whopper before CR2.0, saw the Double Whopper in CR2.0, and then given a cheeseburger in the end.

:smileysad:

#34800000918 04/14/2006 20:41:29 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I would like to recieve a refund for my Hyper-Strength ability.
Unfortunately I cannot find it in my code archive. Could you
please resolve this issue.

Archived image unavailable: hyperstrength copy.gif

#34800000919 04/14/2006 20:48:13 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

I agree with the previous posters that the Howitzer/Artillerist area nerf was too much. It was really a blast the way it was.

With such liberal red frag drops I know it must be nerfed. However,

Devs,...after the 25th p l e a s e give us our radii back

Message Edited by Rexxhavukk on 04-14-2006 09:51 PM

#34800000920 04/14/2006 22:13:00 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Rexxhavukk wrote:

I agree with the previous posters that the Howitzer/Artillerist area nerf was too much. It was really a blast the way it was.

With such liberal red frag drops I know it must be nerfed. However,

Devs,...after the 25th p l e a s e give us our radii back

Message Edited by Rexxhavukk on 04-14-2006 09:51 PM

Correct me if I am wrong - but I also didn't read anything about a change to the radius in the patch notes.

#34800000921 04/15/2006 21:12:03 Re: Update 42 Hotfix Discussion Thread

Well I`m gonna jump on the bandwagon also and say I too went hacker since cr2 went

live and while the radius was very excessive and did need toned down just a tad,,

u toned it down way way way way too much,, for god sake,, 66% (was 80%)

debuff radius bonus and your lucky if it does as previously stated in above posts

circle 6 to 10 metres round the target,, your radius should extend to at least the

distance u hav to be to cast on a target.

stop crapping on hackers,, we have it hard enuf without you further demising us,,

what will simply happen in the end is no one will play as hackers.. u might have

noticed if you pay attention almost every person in the matrix is now either ma/guns or spy.

(cr2 the ma/gun/spy update)

look weve improved this to spy this to this and this too that and weve crapped on hacker again...

IS regen is a joke, radius is a joke,, and hacker style u can do 1 damage

with a punch,, woooo forgive me for not falling off my seat in excitment,,

with parts from all the attack hacker trees loaded to help boost stuff it still

sucks after your oh so great update,, plz stop nerfing the hackers and give

us a chance to actually fight,, pvp backup u say? I dont wanna be backup ,,

i wanna be right out there in the front row ready to kill.

Further to this regarding the selling of abilities,, personally I`d say leave the

frags at the higher drop rate,, maybe turn it down just a little and remove the

selling of abilities after a period of time once everyone has had a chance to

see what they like.

Message Edited by Tzahrkiya on 04-16-2006 06:13 AM