Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope

4 posts · 2006-03-06 14:33:00 to 2006-03-11 07:30:00

#23900002485 03/06/2006 14:33 Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope
Thought you'd never see a post authored by me again, did ja?  SMILEY  Well, I guess rumor is spreading that I'm back, so I thought I couldn't hide from the forums any longer.

Anyway, me being back isn't the reason I'm making this post.  The reason I'm making this post is I wish to address a growing trend amongst our community.  And yes, it includes the recent uptrend of vampires and lupines, but it also concerns alot more than that.  Hence the name of the title of the post:

Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope

Now, the first thing to say is something very important.  This is in NO WAY a slam or a backhand to people who play characters that may fall into "burning the envelope" category.  It is simply a heads up about what you are getting into when you play that character, and it may lead you to possibly consider taking an alternative route with who your character is and what you do.  Alot of the things I'm going to cover in this mini-article are things that were discussed in both my writing workshop classes and acting classes, so I'm not just pulling this out of my rear.

First of all, let me address roleplaying and writing fanfiction.  When you roleplay, you technically ARE writing fanfiction.  However, this does not usually EXEMPT you from following the guiding laws of that universe.  This is the first rule that alot of people are very prone to break.  While we all want our characters to be intrinsically different and well remembered, we still have no right to break the laws of the original universe as set down by the creators of that universe.  We have the right to exploit loopholes to our heart's content and define our characters more through those means, but we do not have the right to completely change the universe at our own whims.

I say these last lines because alot of the "rationale" for making all of these new "rule-breaking" characters is, "It's my character / my continuation of the storyline, I can do what I want."  My response is a pretty harsh one, but a necessary one.  "Don't be stupid, get up off your rear and write a better rationale."

If you don't want to take the time to write an appropriate backstory, then you have no right to move forward and continue to play that character.  I say this because it is one of the first rules of writing, history is everything.  History defines who a character is and where they have been, how they will act to certain situations, and etc.  Characters grow and change through experience, and it's important to understand what experiences they already had.

Another commonly used defense is we all hate vampires and lupines because they're something more powerful / it's something we didn't come up with / we're jealous / whatever.  Let me be the first to say that I could care less if someone plays a vampire or a lupine.  I, however, care that the writing is good.  This is because all of our writing affects one another.  To say that your writing or your character won't affect me or someone else is very incorrect  Because we all share the same universe, we all really need to be on the same level.  Why?  Let me detail it:

One of the first and most important rules of improvisiation acting is the "give and take".  Any actors in a scene will have an effect on one another.  Which means that their character will influence the other character, even if it is a negative influence.  Many people forget that a negative set of answers or results still affects a character, heck, even doing nothing in a scene affects a character and their standing towards another character and the other actor.  It's important to remember this because when two people are roleplaying, the same rule applies.  Bad writing will bring about effects you may not intend or want to associate with your character.  Inappropriate characters still have the possiblity of really screwing things up in the world and taking roleplaying down the toilet.

This is also why the "If you don't like it, don't play it / participate in it" ideal is falsified.  It is almost impossible for a character to turn their heads the other way logistically.  One cannot simply ignore these characters when they're causing such problems, such as vampires.  You cannot pretend vampires do not exist, because somehow, someway, you will come in contact with them even if you are trying to avoid them.

However, the overseeing principle is simple: Follow the Source Material.  While, yes, Vampires and Werewolves have a place in the Matrix, it is not the hugest place.  They are far from center stage, and only became center stage for one minor event (Nightfall).  During Nightfall, we were presented with the vampire Invalesco, who requested that he was able to make redpills into Vampires using a complex and POWERFUL ceremony which would require some components and the removal of the redpill's blood code.  Here we have the source material of how a redpill can be converted into a vampire.  The difficulty of this ceremony only made it able to be done by an elder member of the vampire program coven, like Invalesco, whom we really don't have too many of anymore.  Malphas is about the only person who really comes into mind.

Please note that the ritual did not include biting, it did not include blood drinking, it did not include normal "vampire" things.  It was written with the Matrix in mind.  However, lately, people have found it necessary to begin to introduce vampire motivation from other works of literature.  While this is fine and dandy, the least that could be done would be to keep the Matrix in mind.  I feel that alot of players are beginning to lose sight of the Matrix and only see what they want to see.

This goes for all roleplayers, though.  Not just the vampires and lupine players.  Take heed of the source material.  If you are confused about something, go back and look at the movies, the stories, the comics, the Animatrix, and the Matrix Online history.  There is a wealth of knowledge that can spur new and inventive storylines without digressing to already used or overdone plot devices.  And, this material can be used to keep your storyline within the guidelines of the Matrix and not massacre it as new storylines have done recently.

With all of this said, I call out a simple plea.  Remember who we are.  We are redpills in a system of control, with agents and many other programs.  This is a computer system where perhaps anything can happen inside, but it cannot outside.  Keep your plot lines and stories within the classic Matrix storylines and feel of the system.  Feel free to push the envelope to the limits of the universe, but do not burn and blatently disregard what has already been created.  And, most importantly:

This is not Dungeons and Dragons Online.
This is not White Wolf Online.
This is not Underworld Online.
This is not Magic: The Gathering Online.

This is Matrix Online.
#23900002572 03/09/2006 14:11 Re: Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope
Firstly, if we at least yield to the possibility of ever having the existence of vampires than their survival is quite easily explained.
*im a vamp, i come across the fields and low and behold i've found myself a new coffin and crap load of freezer pops for the taking.*
If your problem is with their existence in the real, i can see your point, especially since all recorded sightings and unexplainable acts within the "real" are explained as glitches within the system, that means theres no real evidence or things like that in the real becuase its all the matrix or nothing.
Do i have a problem with vampires in the real? No not really. RP speaking im annoyed at this cliched idea, but i don't have a true problem with them.
God modding? (anyone else remember calling it munchkin-ing?)
What goth has done with the current storyline in regards to the cure is quite stupid. It is annoying to have all that work done for nothing, especially since if it's got to be undone it's done over something debatebly impossible, out of context or just wrong.
That being said, it's stupid but it's still playable, and it's still acceptable at least for me. I mean there are tons of mysteries in the world that are unexplained. The milk drinking statues of Ganeesh come to my mind, but in any case, who knows, the world is a strange and complicated place, one might just consider themselves a vampire in real life. And if they think they are one, their conception of who they are in the matrix is that no?
Theoretically: If someone is insane and thinks (knows) they are the messiah or thinks (knows) they are actually a mutant monster of somekind, then thats what they would be while jacked in no?
The residual self image is the mental understanding and representation of who you are.
As for the infection, if everything is in ones mind, when your bit or infected as it were, and you know you should be, doesn't your mind make it real? Thats how damage and pain work in the matrix, your brain makes it real. Thats why the rules of the matrix are unlimited as we all seem to agree, this is why i don't think anyone should be complaining about infection. Not to mention, if were speaking in terms of a virus, anything can be encoded to transmit one, even coded fangs.
As for pushing the envelope or burning it, sometimes you need to burn it to push it, i don't like to see the same cliched bull**bleep** run over and over again, but it's better than nothing. And im certainly not going to trash it unless i can come up with something better.
No offense return, becuase i respect your character, i love your writing and i like the way you present yourself, but you need to lay off gothique about plot holes, especially since you've just managed to walk away from blowing your own head off.
If your justification is explanation, than Gothique is clear, the thing is, you just don't wanna accept her explanation, which makes it more personal than general. Once again however, i mean no disrespect, i just don't like to see anyone get flamed for trying to do something for the benefit of the community.
When it comes to RP, i have come to take the standpoint of:
Put up or shut up, obviously if its this far in, its still going to happen, and if you ask me whats worse than gothiques reason for still being a vampire? It would be pretending none of this happened and trying to go back in time like this week or month never happened.
What annoys me, is that you made this post as a critique of gothiques event or vampire related event but you made it seem like it was a plain public matter, i think thats kind of lame in all honesty. And i wouldn't say this were it not for the fact that your follow up posts have all be against/about her. Apologies if this offends you, as im merely bringing up the fact, that people always have a problem with the storyline presented by who ever, so not much to do, but move on or accept it.
/end targetting of return
And as much as it's "impossible" to avoid these people, i dissagree, because it's easy to ignore the spammers, the nudists, the morons, the masses who don't RP but love to **bleep** it up. The people running around saying they are neo or morpheus or etc. The pvp tools who don't do story only combat, the people who talk trash at level 8, refuse to duel and tell you they can kill you. The people who munchkin on a regular basis. The moronic noobs who speak from their bowels as though they know as much as the architecht or deus machina. And so on and so on.....
/pretend-no-one-noticed-how-much-you-hate-the-moronic-masses
It's funny, i read this thread and had no intention of posting at all, then i figure i might post a small comment and now..... well thanks a lot guys.
You wanna know what a good actor is? Someone who can be dropped into any scene regardless of how good or bad and run with it and make it work.
Food for thought...... so eat it!
Darminian
#23900002612 03/10/2006 10:55 Re: Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope
I referenced your "suicide" return, and i was merely using it as an example. Im fully aware it was within the matrix cannon, but what bothered me none the less, was that the initial post was done in a third person perspective making it fact at the time. It wasn't a report or a statement from anyone, it was an accepted post from you, who was dead at the time so it was an epilogue as it were. Sure someone could say well she was never dead cause she posted it, but you know what i mean.
I believe you did have the intention of returning, in fact i knew you would becuase you like me and many others are addicted to this place. But the principle of the matter and idea behind you telling everyone your dead and then saying just kidding (whether its in the matrix cannon or not) still falls into this category. However i hold no bias or anger about your continued existence here, i like return personally. I just don't like to see gothique get flamed when shes at least doing an event.
And i agree, vampires don't exist in the real, but i still want to resupply the idea, that perhaps one Ms. Emma Steele as it were, is insanely dillusional to the point where she believes she is a vampire with the ability to corrupt and infect and feed. And belief is what makes it real. Like beliving you can fly, or stop bullets or jump inside someones RSI and blow them up.
I think Gothique could easily cover her *CENSORED* if anyone should really start to whine and **bleep** and moan about her being a real vampire, but even then, if theres a dispute why not just find her body and check it out. Makes for good RP, besides worse comes to worse, just kill her in the real, last time i checked, a decapitated vampire is a dead one.
Darminian
#23900002623 03/11/2006 07:30 Re: Pushing the Envelope vs. Burning the Envelope
And wheat, lots of nice mutagenic wheat.
Darminian