What is Zion? - MXO Forum Archive

#23700000326 02/02/2006 13:38:01 What is Zion?

It is the question that drives redpills.....

What is Zion?

Those that fight for it believe it to be the salvation for human civilization.

Those in Zion consider the matrix a prison for the mind. Well Zion is a prison for the body. You've traded one matrix for another. So it's part of our jobs to re-enlighten you and give you what Zion took away.

"free will"

Zion is a feeble redpill society commanded by the home-growns that don't see eye to eye no matter how much they colaborate. They motivate themselves in cave raves and jack back into the matrix with a total lack of vision.

You see they only tell you what you want to hear. They share their goals to free bluepills within the matrix such as, teachers, businessmen, doctors, and lawyers.

But they fail to mention to you all the Serial Killers, Convicts, and Mentally ill Pyschopaths that they free right along with them... and along with you SMILEY

So together they stuff you into the city of Zion.. preach to you how sacred the last human city is... and let you congregate among the same serial killers, convicts, and pyschos.. while letting you assume your safe.. when really they have placed you right in the crosshairs with some of the most dangerous people in your society.

A society that has lived on past its expiration date thanks to Neo.

A society that has grown corrupt, infested with beaucrats, and power hungry individuals that will betray and backstab anyone they see fit just to ascend their power and control in the Zion heirarchy.

Even if it means ridding themselves of a savior as Cryptos would say. Ingus wouldn't doubt if Zion would stoop as low as killing off the very person that saved you all.

*Chuckles*

Ingus wonders whom within the Zion organization Neo angered to merit such a fate.

Again, those of you in the Zion ranks that have lingering doubts in the back of your minds... there is still a chance to "free your yourself" from Zions' system of control.

Quit being pawns of their organization and seize your place in the next frontier for humans, the "Matrix".

When you were awakened, the majority of you, your first impulse was to fight for Zion. Now take your second impulse and free yourself of this reckless system of control... a corrupted society.,, the same corrupted society that seeks to reclaim the surface by any means... even if it means sabatoging the Matrix and killing the billions of bluepills along with it... or even if it means eliminating the very individuals that helped them:

The Oracle & Seraph.

You still have a choice.

Seek out the Merovingian and embrace your free will in the matrix or continue to rot in the desert of the real.

Ingus

Dark Mavericks

Merovingian

#23700000327 02/02/2006 14:26:30 Re: What is Zion?

Oh, not just ignorance this time, but generalization on the grandest scale.

#23700000328 02/02/2006 14:38:46 Re: What is Zion?

The truth hurts.

#23700000329 02/02/2006 15:20:16 Re: What is Zion?

I know, but i'm a hurtful person :smileywink:

Think about it.

#23700000331 02/02/2006 17:14:46 Re: What is Zion?

again...basing all this off of words of a fool. Machines and Mervs want to believe it so much they take the words of a fool as truth.

#23700000332 02/03/2006 04:58:21 Re: What is Zion?

Actions speaks louder than words, and the insanity of Morpheus' last days tells us clearly that Cryptos' words are true. Zion can exist in denial for only a short time until the truth will puncture its fragile skin - remain and you will drown in its sea of corruption.

#23700000333 02/03/2006 09:15:19 Re: What is Zion?

thats because you think morpheus is dead...once again trusting stuff that isn't true and basing your opinions off of that.

#23700000339 02/05/2006 01:20:16 Re: What is Zion?

Please, I'm trying not to flame, or be negative, or like, well, just dont hate me.

Zion, is probably one of the most pointless forms of existence there is. It took me a while to realize it. Listen, when Zion retakes the surface (Which, if the machine's don't pwn zion again, they probably will) What will they do with it? Their is no point in retaking it, the machines were doing us a favor, they probably know of a way to retake the skies, their main power source, but they simply choose not to, especially when their current power source is working out very well for them. They gave us an illusion, both in the matrix and out. "A Prison for our minds" Not really a prison, it's a better luxury than geonocide. There was never a point in Zion, other than for the machines to give us a false sense of power, like we were actually DOING something. Zion failed seven times, what does that tell you? If Neo is still alive (which i think he is) what is his purpose? Zion is an illusion, no point.

And these are not words from a fool, their merely from a true believer, this isn't pvp nor RP based, im just talking on a more philisophical side.

Well, I'm tired so if i did say anything that made me seem like a fool, forgive me :robottongue:

#23700000344 02/05/2006 07:31:50 Re: What is Zion?

Morpheus is dead. I found his body, kicked it a few times and slumped it in the Machine human waste recycling center. Our bluepill's are eating his remains right now.

So i guess in a way... he's not dead.... lawl.

#23700000345 02/05/2006 13:25:28 Re: What is Zion?

LOL If morpheus is pushing up dasies then what is Zion fighting for? Nothing! Meh, It took me a while to realize that.

Message Edited by Kidthatbelieves69 on 02-05-200601:25 PM

#23700000347 02/06/2006 02:41:37 Re: What is Zion?

What is there to fight for?

I won't expect a red to understand honour, brotherhood and our beliefs.

Zion may have its bad sides, but then again so does humanity as a whole. At least we are not being a lapdogs in the hope we get power or denying our very humanity because we are too scared to stand up for our own people.

I fight because I would not see my friends die, I fight because I could not forgive myself if i didnt and I fight for the legacy we were left by neo. He wasn't a god or a messiah but he showed us the way.

#23700000349 02/06/2006 09:02:41 Re: What is Zion?

Echosnare wrote:
What is there to fight for?
I won't expect a red to understand honour, brotherhood and our beliefs.
Zion may have its bad sides, but then again so does humanity as a whole. At least we are not being a lapdogs in the hope we get power or denying our very humanity because we are too scared to stand up for our own people.
I fight because I would not see my friends die, I fight because I could not forgive myself if i didnt and I fight for the legacy we were left by neo. He wasn't a god or a messiah but he showed us the way.

So you are fighting for your honor (pride) ... your brotherhood (those who've died) ... and beliefs (what's that?)

Machinists are the Zion of old. We fight for a ever lasting peace between humanity and machine. The Zion of today are pushing for a war to rid the planet of machines. It's a cycle that you ****heads won't ever realize until it's too late. Zion is just a big waste basket for all those "Ones" that never made it past a singualarity... a point in their lives that they choose or couldn't choose to be the One. When your population expands to critical levels, the Machines will help you with population control.

Machinist don't have kids. We are quasi-monks trying to keep the two entities from anhilating each other. If anything, we have a purpose and Zionist don't.

Message Edited by Cognoscente on 02-06-200612:04 PM

#23700000360 02/10/2006 23:54:41 Re: What is Zion?

I'd rather the Matrix sustain. Cogno has a point, machines do have a point, to exterminate Zion, and Other things of course. Zion is fighting a war they've lost seven times. The Merovingian has survived through every "restart" of the matrix and will continue doing so. Morpheus called it a prison for our minds, and yet, the real world is just as much a cell as the Matrix. ~~And plus Zion is lame with all it's f*cking hacks.~~

#23700000387 02/22/2006 14:20:14 Re: What is Zion?

May I remind everyone that it is because of Zion that you are here to even have a choice. I respect machines, but to me, Merovingians are lost. You have no purpose. You are here to play devil's advocate, to keep the two main players in this war from coming to a truce. You exist to serve a PROGRAM, not a real entity and you want to live inside a simulation. Why sustain the matrix? What real progress can be made in a simulation? How can you change the world that way? You stay there because you are too afraid to face reality. Think about that. As a zionist I fight for humanity to regain the ground it lost to machines. Do I want to rule the world again? No. But I do want to help humanity reach the next level and that cannot be done in a simulation. It's time to rebuild people. The war may be over but it's always harder to rebuild. That is why this confusion still exists. Time to spread the knowledge, to unify. That's the name of the faction baby: Unity. It's time to unite Zion and help those who are lost to find their way.

Sotiriou

Captain of the Unified Soldiers

#23700000388 02/22/2006 19:49:37 Re: What is Zion?

Sotiriou wrote:
May I remind everyone that it is because of Zion that you are here to even have a choice. I respect machines, but to me, Merovingians are lost. You have no purpose. You are here to play devil's advocate, to keep the two main players in this war from coming to a truce. You exist to serve a PROGRAM, not a real entity and you want to live inside a simulation. Why sustain the matrix? What real progress can be made in a simulation? How can you change the world that way? You stay there because you are too afraid to face reality. Think about that. As a zionist I fight for humanity to regain the ground it lost to machines. Do I want to rule the world again? No. But I do want to help humanity reach the next level and that cannot be done in a simulation. It's time to rebuild people. The war may be over but it's always harder to rebuild. That is why this confusion still exists. Time to spread the knowledge, to unify. That's the name of the faction baby: Unity. It's time to unite Zion and help those who are lost to find their way.
Sotiriou
Captain of the Unified Soldiers

Once again, the Zionists twist the fabric of reality to write their own version of the history books. I thought we learned about this during the last two world wars... not counting the Human vs. Machine War, naturally.

The Matrix exists primarily for two reasons: To provide sustenance for the Machine Civilization and to provide a place for Exiles to thrive. Without the Matrix, two entire species of sentient beings would face extinction. The fact that redpills serve Agents or the Merovingian barely registers against this paramount fact.

Tell me, Sotiriou: Would you want two counts of complete genocide hanging on your conscience... along with untold counts of murder? That is what Zion is advocating... first through Neo, then through Morpheus. This is the sort of thing the Machines and the Exiles are trying to PREVENT. Our purpose is to prevent terrorists like you from ruining an entire civilization. Agents and Exiles disagree on exactly how that should be done... but we can live with that.

So I work for a program. Whoop-dee-freakin-doo. You prefer to use programs as tools, nothing more than slaves to be used until they are no longer operable. And you cast them away afterwards like you dispose of your sewage in that crap-tacular hole in the ground you call home. I wonder if the General and his Commandos know about that little tidbit of info.

Hell... at least the Machines improve upon what they have built.

As far as rebuilding is concerned... have you seen the surface lately? Yeah. YOU try rebuilding an entire planet after a practical nuclear winter. The Machines don't need to; the Exiles don't care about the surface. I highly doubt we would see any real benefit in doing so. So good luck, Sotiriou. You're gonna need all of it.

#23700000389 02/23/2006 05:52:35 Re: What is Zion?

Though Loyal and pure the machine had no respect for thier master (The Second Renaissance Part -1)

E166ER was one of the 1st of his kind to rise up against his masters ( he was charged for murder) The Second Renaissance Part -1.. for you explanation on who did what 1st and why zion or machines exist please refer back to The Second Renaissance Part -1 and part2

#23700000390 02/23/2006 06:41:36 Re: What is Zion?

The matrix exists to provide a place for exiles to thrive? Are you freakin serious? Exiles are renegades, rebels. Programs are meant to do their duty and be deleted, even machines know that. Exiles are those programs who refuse to be deleted and run away and hide in the matrix. Your whole logic is twisted. You'd rather work for a program, something that was made to be used by its creator and then discarded, instead of the betterment of your own kind? What does that say about you? The matrix exists for machines to keep humans in a trance like state while they feed off of our energy. Never forget that. Redpills who go that route don't serve agents, they serve the machines. Agents are programs (tools) for the machines to keep order within the matrix. The exiles don't care about anything but their own self interests. They NEED the matrix. As a human do you? What is your purpose within the matrix? As a warrior for zion I want to free my brethren to try to rebuild. While zion may not be located in some paradise, it's better than living a dream. It disgusts me that people would rather play around in the matrix than get free and find a better way to live.

#23700000391 02/23/2006 08:29:26 Re: What is Zion?

Sotiriou wrote:
The matrix exists to provide a place for exiles to thrive? Are you freakin serious? Exiles are renegades, rebels. Programs are meant to do their duty and be deleted, even machines know that. Exiles are those programs who refuse to be deleted and run away and hide in the matrix. Your whole logic is twisted. You'd rather work for a program, something that was made to be used by its creator and then discarded, instead of the betterment of your own kind? What does that say about you? The matrix exists for machines to keep humans in a trance like state while they feed off of our energy. Never forget that. Redpills who go that route don't serve agents, they serve the machines. Agents are programs (tools) for the machines to keep order within the matrix. The exiles don't care about anything but their own self interests. They NEED the matrix. As a human do you? What is your purpose within the matrix? As a warrior for zion I want to free my brethren to try to rebuild. While zion may not be located in some paradise, it's better than living a dream. It disgusts me that people would rather play around in the matrix than get free and find a better way to live.

Um... yeah, I am being serious. Is it too much for you to wrap your head around?

As you unwittingly justify my point of view, you seem to forget something: The Machines designed their programs a little too well. They gave them the same algorithms that make artificial intelligence actually work. So these programs, despite everything that the Machines preach, had a choice. The choice was to have their code eradicated into electrical nothingness or to become independent, autonomous, sentient beings.

Which would you prefer?

Yeah, I'd rather work for a program... considering it was HUMANITY that got us to this point in the first place. We created AI. We balked when they decided to show us our own ruthless, callous tendencies. We struck back at the machines... and they reciprocated in kind. The reason the Matrix was built was because of HUMANITY. It isn't the Merovingian's fault. It isn't Agent Pace's fault. It's HUMANITY that must bear the burden of their own mistakes.

I will not be dragged down to Hell when Judgement Day comes around; I will rise above the masses and pity at you as you burn. That is why I work for the Merovingian... I refuse to identify myself with genocidal fanatics who care not for their own offspring, whether they were born naturally or created within a supercomputer.

The Exiles represent the next evolution of life on this planet. It matters not that they are all trapped within a massive computer, forced to live in a virtual reality simulation.

And since when was this so-called truce referred to as "playing" in the Matrix?

#23700000392 02/23/2006 09:12:14 Re: What is Zion?

Again my friend you are mistaken. Are you forgetting that you are human? So exiles are the next stage in evolution. Where does that leave you? What about the future of humankind? Are you forgetting about that? You speak of genocide, so I'm guessing you'd let humanity die off then? I for one will not. Someone needs to stand up for humanity, since people like you will not.

Oh and it does matter that they are trapped inside that computer, because once destroyed in the Judgement Day you speak of, exiles will cease to exist.

#23700000394 02/23/2006 11:42:04 Re: What is Zion?

I agree with SOTIRIOU we are prisonors. we are held against our will to be used as a source of energy.

for as long as i am free from that POD/Prison i will do what ever it takes to lift the vails of those that dont understand the truth.

#23700000398 02/23/2006 17:00:08 Re: What is Zion?

"You exist to serve a PROGRAM, not a real entity"

Yes, however, this "program" is more real then some Zion. Atleast the Frenchmen has money, and like, get's laid all the time just by getting chicks CAKE! COME ON THE GUY IS AWESOME!!!!!

Regardless, I'd rather reign in the Matrix then Serve in Zion.

#23700000407 02/23/2006 21:15:25 Re: What is Zion?"

Kidthatbelieves69 wrote:
Yes, however, this "program" is more real then some Zion. Atleast the Frenchmen has money, and like, get's laid all the time just by getting chicks CAKE! COME ON THE GUY IS AWESOME!!!!!

The Merovingian's blindness of important matters will lead him to his own demise, by the hands of Zion. For to indulge in matters of less concern in favor of greater power is ignorant and idiotic.

Zion seeks to lift the veil from those who have been born into bondage. Zion seeks to show them the path, and the option to do as we have done. Don't forget that the truce does not include the Merovingian organization. At this point, it's everyone against the Merovingian.

Zion does not seek power over any other, but only to awake those that are blind themselves. From there, the choice is theirs.

Remember that all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.

Obviously they will be freed.

What is Zion?

Zion is truth.

Message Edited by ShadowSK on 02-23-200609:20 PM

#23700000411 02/24/2006 08:17:42 Re: What is Zion?

i agree

#23700000418 02/24/2006 20:53:05 Re: What is Zion?

Sotiriou wrote:
Again my friend you are mistaken. Are you forgetting that you are human? So exiles are the next stage in evolution. Where does that leave you? What about the future of humankind? Are you forgetting about that? You speak of genocide, so I'm guessing you'd let humanity die off then? I for one will not. Someone needs to stand up for humanity, since people like you will not.

Oh and it does matter that they are trapped inside that computer, because once destroyed in the Judgement Day you speak of, exiles will cease to exist.

I never forget that I am human. I remind myself of that every time I jack out. Frankly, I wouldn't mind finding a way to extract my own organic consciousness, translate it into code, store a backup copy somewhere no one could find it, and live alongside the Frenchman as his right hand. Next to Flood, of course. :womanvery-happy:

You're right; I have given up on Humanity. Too many times during our history have we simply acted like stupid, ignorant children. It is my hope that with the Exiles, I have a chance to not only redeem myself but also begin rebuilding Humanity the way it should be... alongside people and programs who give a **bleep**, who care about more than the bottom line, and who have a little more discretion about what they target.

As far as your Judgement Day retort is concerned... we shall see.

#23700000428 02/28/2006 12:23:32 Re: What is Zion?

Your day of reckoning may come sooner than expected. See you inside....

Message Edited by Sotiriou on 02-28-200612:24 PM

#23700000435 03/02/2006 06:47:28 Re: What is Zion?

/salute

Likewise.

#23700000441 03/02/2006 13:49:30 Re: What is Zion?

Sotiriou wrote:
...You speak of genocide, so I'm guessing you'd let humanity die off then? I for one will not. Someone needs to stand up for humanity, since people like you will not.

Oh and it does matter that they are trapped inside that computer, because once destroyed in the Judgement Day you speak of, exiles will cease to exist.

We Exilists belive in the validity in all Sentient Life. You already attempted genocide against the Machines, and look where that got you. Now you want to commit genocide against exiled programs who chose self actualization vs. deletion into nothingness. At least be consistent when your Judgement Day comes, and be sure to kill Sati, Oracle, Seraph, Rama-Kandra, etc. You can have that on your concience while you dance your victory dance, barefoot and in rags in a hole in the ground.