What`s wrong using FM ? - MXO Forum Archive

#11600000740 01/22/2006 08:40:23 What`s wrong using FM ?

Hey,

the last time it looks to be hip, to send me whispers about my ForceMultiplier loadout.

People say "You and your FM, lmao" and stuff like this.

So, what`s wrong with this.

I always thought, all trees are free to use, and at least the best loadout should be used.

Nobody laughs about a Duelist or a KungFu Grandmaster.

So i cant follow up you guys.

Question:

If i would break the limits using Awakened or Ability Maker, shouldn`t it be used, cause anyone laugh about ?

Be serious. Its still a game. And a good loadout is one of the basic parts in this game.

At least u make my gameplay mad.

Never forget, the more people using different abilitys, the more u have to find out the pro`s or contra`s, How to beat a assasin or a FM.

So what to do,

If u think i am weak as Fm, or its so funny to whisper me.

Come over, lets make a Duel.

No buddies or pets, just u and me. So u can stop your ununderstanable argues about my weakness, u earn cq points by killing peoples, i guess thats a good reward.

But stop tell me your personal sight of things, i am not interested.

If u like to help me by giving tipps, i will thank u.

As long we play this game together, no matter what org (pvp is PLAY together) everything is ok.

But not make this game a provement for your life.

Keep it at what it is, a game

love u all

sinza

#11600000741 01/22/2006 08:46:04 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

ill tell u how FM could be made fair (coz lets face it its insanly powerful no matter wot anyone thinks...

remove weapon upgrade, and remove area buffs that affect urself

then it would be just like upgrade master, which as far as i can see is a fair fight

#11600000742 01/22/2006 08:55:30 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

good point,

but would u say a MA shouldnt load TripleFontKick, or a assasin should deactivate his BullDog (wich kills me alot) ?

Every Tree has his Pro`s and Contra`s, so i think, the FM is balanced against all other tree`s.

To get rid of one of the available Abilitys makes no sense to me.

love

sinza

#11600000743 01/22/2006 09:06:42 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

erm

u have insane DR due to buffs, so they have the advantage over gunmen

u get rolls in the 330+ everytime with a shotgun, so MA and knife thrower is at a disadvantage

u can sweep urself, so hacker is pretty much useless

and 2 FMs will fight until the day after forever so thats pointless

ur only weakness in the whole game is delete upgrades, but u can instantly re-apply them so again that can be worked around

and u keep ur shield up and if an assassin appears u just shoot him with like 100% chance of hit him, and if u get ganked ur health regen keeps u alive long enuff to escape

no other tree has advantages like that against every type of tree

#11600000744 01/22/2006 10:56:51 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

So I guess the bottom line is...don't laugh at an FM....lol

I personally think you are right that the trees need rebalancing, I love the SMG tree, well OK I love sub machine guns, and it's way underpowered with ridiculous IS costs but I doubt anything will happen until after cr2 is live.

Hanz

#11600000750 01/23/2006 14:43:18 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

I only hate FM's that shift+walk around in /mood regal. That just chaps my *CENSORED*. lol.

Message Edited by LordDemon on 01-23-200602:44 PM

#11600000762 01/27/2006 06:20:16 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

FM's generate mixed feeling I find.

FM's are a support class which have moved to 1 on 1 pvp situations mainly cus every other form of IL is so broken. They are resistant to hacks and usually have immense DR meaing in IL they are isolated from the rest of the battle. They inflict relatively small damage and therefore fights tend to persist beyond their welcome and usually only conclude if the opponent is too dumb to roll out. Poor on offense and awesome on defense, they should be buffing their team and leaving the attacking to them, but as a 1 on 1 class walking about they are kinda boring to fight against imo. That said there is an impressive symmetry to the main pvp classes in use.

Hacker>Assassin>FM>MKT>Hacker

Hacker (as in ballista/destroyer) remains the main problem with its effectiveness pretty much even against all classes...but it is really cheap and THE most deserving of criticism imo..... but meh these are the tools we have to live with.

#11600000768 01/29/2006 06:12:15 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

since when has FM ever been a support class?

it can take on 4 people at once of all different loadouts and only a truly skilled MA can beat one in IL...

make the buffs Team only, say no to self-buffs!

#11600000769 01/29/2006 17:12:29 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

FM quite frankly is a big bloodclot in pvp.

#11600000770 01/30/2006 09:50:34 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

i knifed a FM to death the other day. mmm, that felt gd. :robotvery-happy:

#11600000778 02/05/2006 11:17:58 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

People need to realize that everyone won't switch their trees because people get killed. So an FM rolls 330+, Assassin moves can roll 400s, stun, debuffs, and some real strategy instead of whining gets the job done faster.

#11600000782 02/06/2006 09:53:25 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

I don't think an FM has ever taken on an assasin/ proxy master b4. In fact, I don't think most of you have taken on a assasin/proxy master. I'm toying around with the load outs, and I've found that I can take on almost anyone. /t cantido if you want to give it a try on vector.

#11600000784 02/09/2006 09:23:15 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

FM has had a lot of controversy but there is a weakness about them usually.

the IS drain of a FM with all his buffs is Immense. I usually am having to use power strike or sumat to restore IS which is a bit annoying and then I lose 100 IS in bout a min I can usually maintain it when I ain't in combat but it's still hard to use if u have a poor IS regen rate

Message Edited by pack-hunter on 02-09-200609:23 AM

#11600000785 02/10/2006 02:23:16 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

I just made myself FM yesterday and so far i am completely useless with it! :smileyvery-happy:

#11600000791 02/14/2006 22:13:00 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

Ok I've been playing with FM for about 2 months now and it's quickly surpassed all my other tress as my favorite.

I can hit 400 with my ma, and I still can't get 400 with my FM, go figure...and yet it's still my favorite.

Is it an easy load to use. Nope. Most people don't know how to properly set up an FM, and even when you give them the basic loadout it's still beatable.

You don't need to be an expert MA or an expert MKT. You need to just be able to know what you are doing and be able to compensate for your lack thereof.

Sure my FM drains alot of IS, but I normally have around 100% is regen so IS drain is not a problem for me.
However, it becomes a problem when switching to 400 vd for a hacker, cuz even with 400 vd it's still possible for a hacker to hit me.
The same applies with a knife thrower. a MKT with high focus will force me to switch to DR clothing and I consistently have to change clothes in and out of IL. Thank you macros.

I can tell you from experience that I have fought 4 guys at once, and beat them all because they did not know how to work together. There was no teamwork. I've also lost 4 on 1 because it's an ma, an assassin, a hacker.

I have also lost 1 on 1 duels.

Now if anyone argues and says that a FM duel lasts forever, then it's either 1 of two things. Either the two FM's are really good and they're using their buffs wisely, or that the FM's just plain suck.

When I first started, I sucked bad. I fought another FM that was starting out just like me and we were at a standstill for 30 mins.
Nowadays forget about it. Most FM's can barely last a few minutes with me. IF I duel anyone with an FM and it lasts long, it's cuz I'm doing my best to keep up, cuz the other person is really good. OR it's going to end really quick, either I got destroyed or vice versa.

Now for those that talk about low damadge, I never knew pulling off 700 per hit is low damadge. I usually get anywhere from 500-600 in pvp, and if I turn it up a notch and get serious it'll go to 600-700 per hit. Most will quickly roll out after two-three hits and run away. Others that are too slow will be most likely be dead by the 4th or 5th shot.

Is an FM an easy load to master. No, definetely not. Especially if you don't know what you are doing.
For thost that do, bravo.

Oh and btw, I've gotten beat by Tytyana in pvp battles and sometimes I have a hard time hitting her cuz she's got high DR. Other times I've hit her. Most of the times it's luck and a matter of which way the rolls are going for you.

I will say one thing. An assassin is the biggest weakpoint to an FM.

If you're on Vector and want to give it a shot or need help. I'm not an expert but I will suggest and advise. just send a /tell to Parn01

#11600000796 02/16/2006 13:39:21 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

FM =

*yawn

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#11600000797 02/17/2006 03:05:28 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

Fm's are the bane of my existence. However oneway to neutralise them effectively is to disarm them, this is tricky due to their DR and high rolls in combat, but if your Ranged Tactics are high enough you can get in a disarming shot. Once disarmed the FM becomes practically unable to hurt you, though it still takes a hell of a lot of effort and skill to hurt them due to the stupendous HR.

I've been thinking up loadouts to counter this but as of yet haven't tested them. But how about this for MA Grandmasters: Load up your primary GM tree, you can have two of the one point sub abilities (ie. Wooden Dummy and Machine Gun fists), get rid of all awakened or leave one if you need to. Load up Upgrade Master, using only the base abilities, to the Combat enhancement 1.0. This will give you some Upgrades to self buff with and raise your CT by 10. However, you won't have disarming shot this way. Test it out, I need to try mine.

#11600000798 02/17/2006 04:07:08 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

That's a little interesting. Two things, disarm doesn't do anything, it's a 30 sec disarm, and I can always run sweep to get rid of it.

As for the loadout, it's something interesting, it's a possibility it might work.

#11600000799 02/17/2006 12:20:21 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

*yawn

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#11600000833 03/21/2006 12:16:35 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

i have a few fm loads. being a machine on recursion means that sometimes, you gotta fight the zerg solo. it is a good build with some awesome capability. however there are some drawbacks:

disarm: disarm hurts. it takes away the crazy rct available to fms.

hacks: im not talking about stun, im talking about good ol' logic barrage. couple of those on you in interlock and i dont care if you got fast healing 4.0.

assassins: theyll outroll you, damage you bad, and they dont stick around to get lancet in the chest.

of course, as has been mentioned a good loadout (and some cool clothes macros, usable in combat) can cover these chinks in the armor. and, of course, the power will get nerfed when the new combat comes out.

but heres a hint till then: improved hacking + doctor + guardian patcher + team patcher= 600 point mobius and patcher. :smileywink:

#11600000834 03/22/2006 15:27:28 Re: What`s wrong using FM ?

Lol i agree with eyepopper.