Why cant an agent take over a redpill?

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RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

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Message Edited by Skill on 07.11.2006 02:40 PM

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WGAnubis wrote:

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RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

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Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

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At that point, he is just another potential to the agents. In the Path of Neo you can escape the arrest from the agents in the office building. Then Neo would have not been bugged in the car. The importance of that scene is the choice trinity gives him there.

The more important issue IMO with agents taking over red pills is shown in Matriculated. The humans have to hack the machine in order to "convert" it. A religious conversion? Only for a lack of a better term.

The humans have to hack back into the matrix once leaving the pods, no more direct hardwire connection. Taking the redpill...  choose not to be under The Matrix control. This is the same reason they have to "hack" morpheus for the zion codes.

Message Edited by AqueousRei on 07.11.2006 02:52 PM

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WGAnubis wrote:

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

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As said, they can only take over someone hardwired into the system. Its like a network, you can only send/recieve information to a machine connected which is allowing the option. Im sure those jacked in also have some kind of block to prevent the signal being interrupted by agents from the inside.

Also the bug, however interesting it looked was simply just a tracker, if the agents wanted to take over neo they could have at that point, but they didnt know his importance. They probally knew not to do that, since it was Morpheus they wanted.

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)?  I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie. 

knight776 wrote:

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)?  I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie. 

No, at that point, Smith was a virus. He possesed powers that a normal Agent could not, which is why by the end he took over the Matrix, even the Agents of the system. A normal Agent would not be able to copy himself onto another redpill.

Remag_Div wrote:

knight776 wrote:

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)?  I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie. 

No, at that point, Smith was a virus. He possesed powers that a normal Agent could not, which is why by the end he took over the Matrix, even the Agents of the system. A normal Agent would not be able to copy himself onto another redpill.

But as you see in reloaded, the Agent isn't permenatly overwritten, as he shows up back in the free way scene. Or was that just two agents?

~ J

TheRedeemed wrote:

Remag_Div wrote:

knight776 wrote:

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)?  I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie. 

No, at that point, Smith was a virus. He possesed powers that a normal Agent could not, which is why by the end he took over the Matrix, even the Agents of the system. A normal Agent would not be able to copy himself onto another redpill.

But as you see in reloaded, the Agent isn't permenatly overwritten, as he shows up back in the free way scene. Or was that just two agents?

~ J

I haven't watched Reloaded in the longest time, so I am not sure if it was the same Agent. It's possible. At that point, Smith didn't take over the entire Matrix, so that particular Agent could still freely move around the other coppertops with ease.