What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

#11200004584 07/10/2006 11:16:34 What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

When neo was awakened it was the year 1999 in the matrix and Morpheus said it was actually closer to the year 2199. The war has gone on for 100 years so it must of started around the year 2099. Will the machines let the matrix get to that year because presumably the bluepills would repeat history by making machines too smart and end up in a war with them again. This could lead to a matrix within a matrix, which would be ridiculous and I think that theory was explored in the movies but it wasn't true. The machines wouldn't want to change the period of time the matrix is in because the 20th century is the time where most of the bluepills accept the system (99% of them) so what would they do? I would of thought they'd reset it back to the beginning of the 20th century and continue to do so everytime it reaches a certain year.

#11200004585 07/10/2006 11:52:06 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

i believe they reset the matrix if man evolves in the matrix to the level of AI to avoid the matrix becoming a duplicate of the real. but then if they made a matrix within a matrix... ugh... my head hurts..

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#11200004586 07/10/2006 12:05:51 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Fractor wrote:
When neo was awakened it was the year 1999 in the matrix and Morpheus said it was actually closer to the year 2199. The war has gone on for 100 years so it must of started around the year 2099. Will the machines let the matrix get to that year because presumably the bluepills would repeat history by making machines too smart and end up in a war with them again. This could lead to a matrix within a matrix, which would be ridiculous and I think that theory was explored in the movies but it wasn't true. The machines wouldn't want to change the period of time the matrix is in because the 20th century is the time where most of the bluepills accept the system (99% of them) so what would they do? I would of thought they'd reset it back to the beginning of the 20th century and continue to do so everytime it reaches a certain year.

Remind you of terminator by any chance?

and i have read sections of Sophia Stewart's book The Third Eye on a webpage i visited recently, and well it does seem alot like both terminator and the matrix...and somehitn similar happens in it as you described.

and i belive that this time around the humans find out the truth and they end up fighting the simulation and win the war

#11200004587 07/10/2006 13:13:53 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Rarebit wrote:

There must be some that age, I would think, otherwise the humans would get kind of suspicious of a bunch of cryptic non-aging people after a decade or so. But then again it's also always 1999, supposedly, so if the Machines can pull that over people's eyes, you'd think the non-aging thing would be relatively easy. And there've gotta be programs who wouldn't need to age for any particular reason. And the Merv for instance is supposed to be nearly a bajillion years old or whatever. Then again, there's his mention of the Oracle finding a new "shell," which makes you wonder if maybe they all just take human bodies, and those age or get banged up, and then they take another one... Brrrr...

But like in Sati's case, I would think aging would be kind of inconvenient, at least past a certain point. Maybe they can age to whatever physical age they like, and stop. Eh, who knows. I guess we'll find out in about ten years.

Oh wait, we'd need to redo all the models if they were gonna age. Okay, that's it, no aging.

Ok something i just palled up maybe this could help you with your question. Interesting because i did not know that.

#11200004588 07/10/2006 13:22:19 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

In The Matrix Comics Vol. 1, we learn that the machines are able to control time (or at least the illusion of it) in the "Goliath" story. A glitch in the system caused time to loop while the protagonist was riding a subway car. If I remember correctly, the machines fixed the glitch by reseting the system, but in order to do that they had to set time back a few years. The entire story deals with various oddities related to time.

The end of the story is my favorite line in all of the comics, when the protagonist pens his final words to his wife: "These last twenty minutes have been the best years of my life."

I don't think time actually "passes" as we know it, in a virtual existence. The passage of time is as much an illusion as anything else. Because of this, things like aging and the cycles of night and day are the result of programming, not time.

#11200004589 07/10/2006 13:52:19 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

shauntaylor88 wrote:

Fractor wrote:

When neo was awakened it was the year 1999 in the matrix and Morpheus said it was actually closer to the year 2199. The war has gone on for 100 years so it must of started around the year 2099. Will the machines let the matrix get to that year because presumably the bluepills would repeat history by making machines too smart and end up in a war with them again. This could lead to a matrix within a matrix, which would be ridiculous and I think that theory was explored in the movies but it wasn't true. The machines wouldn't want to change the period of time the matrix is in because the 20th century is the time where most of the bluepills accept the system (99% of them) so what would they do? I would of thought they'd reset it back to the beginning of the 20th century and continue to do so everytime it reaches a certain year.

Remind you of terminator by any chance?

and i have read sections of Sophia Stewart's book The Third Eye on a webpage i visited recently, and well it does seem alot like both terminator and the matrix...and somehitn similar happens in it as you described.

and i belive that this time around the humans find out the truth and they end up fighting the simulation and win the war

I'm sure you are aware she lost the case. That doesn't mean I do not believe there is a connection, somewhere, just that there is no proof.

Rights & legal issues aside:

The human race will not win out the war in either situation.

#11200004593 07/10/2006 22:07:02 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

The Matrix never would reach the year 2099, the simulation continues to stay at the "height" of our civilization, which is in 1999 according to the film. Apparently, the machines can manipulate time so the Coppertops think they are advancing but in reality are stuck in that timeloop.

#11200004597 07/11/2006 05:02:10 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Don't forget that Morpheus was wrong in his assumption too SMILEY

Morpheus didn't know about the other Ones, and assumed they had been fighting for 100 years.
The Neo cycle was 100 years, but there were five other cycles before that. Assuming that the equation at the centre of the Matrix took about 70-80 years to manifest itself as code in a person (The One) based on Neo's age, possibly even longer, it could be about 600 years since the first two failed Matricies without the One cycle.

We don't know how long they were around for, but also factor in the protracted warfare between man and machine, and we can assume about 700 years from Rebellion of A.I. and Neo.

So the year is in fact closer to 2699 SMILEY

#11200004602 07/11/2006 08:02:41 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

you also got to take into contex the chared sky... the earth heals itself everytime something bad happens to it... most likely the sky had become blue once again. now since we have no exact time line of when the original war started, and we have no knowledge of how many years passed since that war to when neo brought peace. we just have to estimate every new appearance of the one is about 100 or so years, since thats the only time we realy got from the movies. so six ones. so six hundred or so years. then take into the account of the failed versions of the matrix, which i will say lasted for 10 years atleast. so we are now up to 610 years. then take into account the technology we had when the war started, yet we had to use nukes. that makes me believe the original war started arround 2287. why not 2286?? i dont know, i am just trying to pick a date in my head that would be reasonable for us to have that ubar 1337 technology that we see in TNR. so 2287 + 610 = 2897. so in accordance to the earth healing itself the sky had to clear. so why would the machines rechar the sky? i dont know. how do they keep us in the year 1999? also on the whole do programs age thing. i think sati should age that way she could be used ingame, since if she aged she would fit the character models we have.

#11200004603 07/11/2006 09:46:09 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Emulsifier wrote:
you also got to take into Context the charred sky... the earth heals itself everytime something bad happens to it... most likely the sky had become blue once again. . .

The Sky is Blue above the Net of machinery designed to block all sunlight:

In the animatrix it is called "DarkStorm". It is my belief that these small machines form a net and generate a controlled 24hr world wide thunderstorm with out precipitation. The fields of electricity & lightning are acting as the self defense EMP and is what protects it from machine counter attack?

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#36300003246 07/21/2006 05:07:26 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Watching that lame movie Dark City, I remember the aliens controlling that place stopped time, who made that movie anyways? It was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the Matrix & Van Helsing all rolled into one movie.

#36300004151 07/22/2006 01:22:11 Re: What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Coer wrote:

Don't forget that Morpheus was wrong in his assumption too

Yep, most of the time when people talk about the year or timeline people make refrence to Morpheus deduction of the year. I would say every cycle of The War and The One is around 120 years because from the 6th iteration of The Matrix it's a 100 year war. I'd say there'd have to be a couple of years with peace, not to be mistaken with a Truce, just peace. Then as you mentioned the first Matricies.

Coer wrote:

So the year is in fact closer to 2699

I would say it's closer to the year 3000.

#36300009428 07/28/2006 05:32:43 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

CassiusX wrote:

Watching that lame movie Dark City, I remember the aliens controlling that place stopped time, who made that movie anyways? It was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the Matrix & Van Helsing all rolled into one movie.

Based on a story by Alex Proyas, the screenplay is by Alex Proyas and Lem Dobbs (Kafka) and David S. Goyer (The Crow 2). The film is directed by Alex Proyas. Nice concept, horrible Director.

I never really tried to put an actual year on the Matrix between Morpheus saying that they don't really know, and the fact that the sun is not present in general left the issue pretty blank. What is the good in counting the days when you can't even see them? If I had to guess:

>2699 but also more than likely >3000

How much time has passed from the "peak of human civilization" to the building of 01 to the actual creation of the science that allows for the Matrix.

#36300016778 08/05/2006 02:31:02 What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

darkrevenantw wrote actually id say its clser to the year 3000.

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#36300017551 08/05/2006 21:02:24 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Doesnt the matrix reset periodically? I would think that every 100 years or so it gets reset back to 1999

#36300017830 08/06/2006 10:46:16 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

the wierd thing is, memory, and the elderly, Does the matrix make people who are older in the matrix but younger in the real? Obivously it would be too wierd for everyone in the matrix to not have a grama. If neo was born in 1962 than that would make you wonder if neos life and everyone around him in the matrix has imprinted memorys. When did the matrix really start? 0 B.C?? it wierd to think. We all remember distinct details in our own lives, memories of our child hood, and what you did last month. I may not make sense, but neither does this topic. This entire topic is like asking how big is the universe in perspective of feet and inches. Its impossible to calculate such things. Im willing to assume that not even the wachowskis know what the answer is. I think they created a monster that is beyond thier control. You could even ask how do the machines know they themselves arent in some dream world. How do we know the humans didnt win the war, and made the machines think they had won? its a question that has an endless amount of questions and answers. This is all just way over any of our heads to even contimplate, if you really wanna get stupid, chuck norris counted to infinity twice!

#36300018933 08/07/2006 16:54:16 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

I can relate to the position that the use of infinity as a measurement is sort of silly. But that doesn't mean the concept should be tossed completely:

#36300018936 08/07/2006 17:00:10 Re:What will happen when the matrix reaches the year 2099?

Actually a Mobius strip is a mathmatical construct. It could be part of the equation.