Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.

19 posts · 2006-07-10 06:57:17 to 2006-08-26 22:17:28

#11200004578 07/10/2006 06:57:17 Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.

Watching Reloaded again the other day, the thought hit me:


Instead of trying to shoot the twin's arm off (when he was using it to keep the door open), why didn't they use the sword to cut it off? That's the only use of the sword that would have ended up working SMILEY
#11200004581 07/10/2006 09:59:04 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.





bannanaphone wrote:


because that would be sploitin :smileytongue:





Heh... good one.


I dunno about stupid though... maybe, in the heat of battle, he just didn't think of it?


#11200004582 07/10/2006 10:37:58 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
Morpheus had the sword but he was using both of his hands to try and keep the door shut.
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#11200004590 07/10/2006 18:17:55 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.


theRonin wrote:

Watching Reloaded again the other day, the thought hit me:


Instead of trying to shoot the twin's arm off (when he was using it to keep the door open), why didn't they use the sword to cut it off? That's the only use of the sword that would have ended up working SMILEY


otherwise they wouldnt have a cool car chase and it would just end the movie that much sooner

why didnt they just use cow instead of humans in the matrix movies?
#11200004592 07/10/2006 22:04:25 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.


Fractor wrote:
Morpheus had the sword but he was using both of his hands to try and keep the door shut.

Yes,
and he thought the Twin's arm would have receded once Trinity shot him,
however this was before they realised they could quickly recover from
bullet wounds. I wonder he felt the pain of the shots. He had no
expression of pain on his face, so I assume he felt nothing.



marsthenova wrote:

why didnt they just use cow instead of humans in the matrix movies?


This was discussed on the forums, but the most logical answer to this can be found in the book Taking the Red Pill: Philosophy, Science, and Religion in The Matrix.

#11200004613 07/11/2006 13:51:26 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.


theRonin wrote:

Watching Reloaded again the other day, the thought hit me:


Instead of trying to shoot the twin's arm off (when he was using it to keep the door open), why didn't they use the sword to cut it off? That's the only use of the sword that would have ended up working SMILEY


what i wanna know is why he used his arm to hold the door open when he could simply pass through it anyway?
#11200004616 07/11/2006 14:56:15 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
He was holding it open for his twin. If it had closed, it might have opened up onto another location, then the twins wouldn't have been together. I think he said something like, "Can we move things along?" trying to get him to hurry up.
#11200004617 07/11/2006 16:00:27 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
Right, we see that happen when the Twins close the door on Neo and he ends up outside the Chateau.
#11200004632 07/13/2006 01:49:09 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.





theRonin wrote:


Watching Reloaded again the other day, the thought hit me:


Instead of trying to shoot the twin's arm off (when he was using it to keep the door open), why didn't they use the sword to cut it off?






How someone dares to ask things like that.. i mean come on!! do i look like i can read Morpheus' mind and tell you: actually it was because Morpheus thought " oh wait.. i look cooler pointing my gun at this **bleep** than cutting him off" ????


is like asking: do you know why the architect likes to wear white and gray?

#11200004633 07/13/2006 05:09:56 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
OK, well, I wasn't asking you, then! Move along, nothing for you to see here, Manolius!:smileywink:
#11200004635 07/14/2006 18:32:40 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.





Manolius wrote:






theRonin wrote:


Watching Reloaded again the other day, the thought hit me:


Instead of trying to shoot the twin's arm off (when he was using it to keep the door open), why didn't they use the sword to cut it off?






How someone dares to ask things like that.. i mean come on!! do i look like i can read Morpheus' mind and tell you: actually it was because Morpheus thought " oh wait.. i look cooler pointing my gun at this **bleep** than cutting him off" ????


is like asking: do you know why the architect likes to wear white and gray?






lol he was probably just not thinking about it in the heat of fire SMILEY
#11200004636 07/14/2006 19:46:19 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
To be curious enlightens us, to be silent dulls us.

Anything is open to interpretation and explanation. Nothing is set in stone, especially anything dealing with the Matrix.
#11200004639 07/15/2006 07:21:24 Re: Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.





RemagDiv wrote:
To be curious enlightens us, to be silent dulls us.

Anything is open to interpretation and explanation. Nothing is set in stone, especially anything dealing with the Matrix.






I'll still stick with my explenation though SMILEY
#36300032276 08/23/2006 21:21:09 Re:Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.

Morph says it himself earlier in the movie: "What happened, happened for a reason, and could not have happened any other way."

Consider this: if Morpheus had managed to get the door closed (by cutting the arm off, squeezing it off, sticking the gun through the door space and firing to get Twin1 to 'ghost', etc), then the chase seen would not have happened because the door would have no longer led to that parking garage.

So, what was the most significant event that resulted from the chase scene? The one thing that the rest of the story could not have done without? The arrival of Niobe and Soren. They needed time to leave from Zion and get to broadcast depth and for Niobe to save Morpheus' butt in the Matrix. And then go on to do the whole "Providence" three-ships bit.

Oh, and the Architect wears white for the same reason that Einstein wore the same suit everyday. It is not logical and therefore a waste of time thinking about fashion and color coordination. But somebody should really tell him how much he looks like Colonel Sanders, lol. I'd have walked in and said, "Mmm, MMM! Finger lickin GOOD, eh?!?"SMILEY

#36300033799 08/26/2006 08:25:29 Re:Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.
"Because the car chase scene wouldn't have taken place then" is probably the least convincing explanation of all. 
It's as if the Morpheus-holding-the-door-not-letting-the-Twin-in scenario was already written into stone, and all the writers were able to do was to find a way to get the Twins through the door. "Ah, let's make it so that Morpheus doesn't cut the hand off with the sword and instead Trinity shoots at it - so the Twins come through and we'll be able to have the chase scene!"

Also, it doesn't do anything more than admitting that it's a logical gap in the movie and nothing else.
A good screenplay shouldn't rely on logical gaps to tell the story, or particularly, to include an action sequence.
The goal of such discussions is to find an explanation that fits within the story, not "hey, they just did it so" or "otherwise the film would be over in 5 mins".


Apart from that, yea, Morpheus was holding the door with two hands, Trinity was in the better position, they thought it would make him hurt, there wasn't enough time for Trinity to grab the sword from Morpheus, etc.
SMILEY
#36300034088 08/26/2006 21:18:03 Re:Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.

lol, you are half-right. But it wasn't a logical gap that I was trying to show. What I meant by everything happening for a reason was this:

The Prophecy of the One was to culminate in the One returning to the Source. Hence, the necessary meeting with the Architect. Counting backwards from that meeting, you have the egress of the Keymaker, Morpheus, and Neo from the White Hallway; the impending death of Trinity; the destruction of the power plant and control room; the 'Providence' meeting of the three ships captains, the saving of the Keymaker and Morpheus by Neo, the chase by the Twins, and of course, the struggle for the door in the parking garage.

All I was saying (apparently not effectively, lol) was that the sequence of events had to happen in order for the One to fulfill his prophecy. In this, even the smallest detail such as why Morpheus simply didn't simply hack off the arm of the Twin holding the door open, has a significant result.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.SMILEY

#36300034124 08/26/2006 22:17:28 Re:Morpheus, the Twin, the Door, the Sword.

Hmm... maybe you're right and the One's way was really predestined in such a detailed way -- but even if yes, they weren't meant to be stopped by the Twins anyway, so they might have got rid of them in that parking lot aswell, instead of later on the freeway. The result's the same (except, well, less of the car chase SMILEY ).

And, well, if this "Prophecy" was really mighty enough to control everyone's smallest actions (such as holding the door and not pulling out the sword) and was doing it all the time, it would have the duty to mask itself with logic. The "victims" should have no suspicion so everything would have to make sense to them and their environment.

And now we're where we started: was it logical that Morpheus didn't cut off the albino's arm? As far as I'm concerned, yes. I don't see anything wrong there at all. SMILEY