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#11200003874 04/14/2006 22:44:07 Most Powerful Organization

Which Org has the most power?

Merovingian thrives on power, but he is still in hiding. He is very powerful, but he stil need then Matrix and the Machines. If an agent finds him, he could very well be deleted. Minus the factors of all his bodyguard.

Zion had Neo, who, I am guessing, would be at least a lvl 1,000 to our 50 in game. I figure the Agents are 255, and Seraph was able to challenge Neo's skills. Anyhow, Zion was destroyed 5 times and almost 6. We need the truce.

Machines, however, have the most power. They have kept the human resistance at bay for 600 years, at least. They defeated the humans in war bfore the Matrix was created. If they applied themselves, I belive they could defeat the Merovingian. However, he is clever enough and political enough to keep himself afloat for this long.

Any thoughts?

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#11200003875 04/14/2006 23:02:05 Re: Most Powerful Organization

The Machines have been weakened by the Smith virus, and the large number of civilians taking the red pill, AND a large number of Exiles taking to the streets. Their numbers are spread thin...

Zion is split in so many different radical factions it's hard to keep them straight. All I truly know about it is that the one under Locke's command is regarded to as the official one, with EPN and Niobe's faction as split-offs.

The Merovingian is in no way in hiding. In fact, his most competent employee, Ookami, has been making frequent appearances on the "front lines". His weakness, however, shines in the upcoming Commando wars, which has diverted his attention because of the new weapons he's been developing for us.

*strokes EMCP disk*

The cypherites I expect will be all killed off soon, morons as they are. Unfortunately for my extremely anti-Cypherite persona, I must digress that they will probably stick around for a long time, especially with the uprising of what I like to call their new Recruiting Division: EPN and their code bombs, forcing Blue pills into Red pills and later into Cypherites.

*sigh* I guess the Cypherites will never really be defeated. But I can dream...

Message Edited by ZippydaSquirl on 04-15-2006 03:03 AM

#11200003877 04/15/2006 02:40:28 Re: Most Powerful Organization

Machines (Agents) are binded by rules since they are made with a system.. So is the Merovingian since he is first made in the matrix.
A human mind cannot be manipulated.

#11200003880 04/15/2006 15:55:52 Re: Most Powerful Organization

The Leo wrote:
A human mind cannot be manipulated.

Ummmm... did you actually watch the movies? The bluepills are humans whose minds have been manipulated into thinking their reality is "real". Humans are constantly manipulated through lies (not the least of which stem from Merv). The agents within the Matrix may be bound to certain rules, but there are machines on the outside that are very capable of adapation and making up new rules. This is why the machines are, and will always be, the most powerful org (at least from a plot perspective.. the number of players aligned with the machines is a different story).

#11200003881 04/15/2006 16:06:31 Re: Most Powerful Organization

digitize wrote:

The Leo wrote:
A human mind cannot be manipulated.

Ummmm... did you actually watch the movies?

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#11200003882 04/15/2006 19:51:58 Re: Most Powerful Organization

Machines need energy
take away the energy source there are no machines

#11200003883 04/15/2006 20:56:51 Re: Most Powerful Organization

Rexxhavukk wrote:
Machines need energy
take away the energy source there are no machines

The same is true for humans.. and exiles, for that matter.. the only difference is where they get their energy. :smileywink:

#11200003885 04/15/2006 21:10:29 Re: Most Powerful Organization

The most powerful organization ... is all of them working together. ^_~

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#11200003889 04/16/2006 02:28:22 Re: Most Powerful Organization

I didn't mean manipulated, but binded with rules. Humans aren't made with a system.

#11200003894 04/16/2006 20:27:27 Re: Most Powerful Organization

I know the machines need energy, and you can see at the end of revolutions, that they are about to destroy Zion and keep their energy source.

At this point they can't break the truce. The Cypherites are basically a rogue Smithlike force. They can hurt the Machines as much as EPN

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#11200003895 04/16/2006 21:19:32 Re: Most Powerful Organization

i dont think you can even look at it from a most powerful org point of view any more..now its whos the most powerful race. theres 3 races at work in the matrix. humans, machines, and programs. i would think the machines.(who also live in the realworld and jack into the matrix like humans) are the most powerful. if they wanted to they could just destroy the matrix from the outside and humans and programs would be helpless.

machines dont need humans to survive..we just make survival easier. they could put ships up above the clouds to collect solar energy and live that way. but it would probably be less energy and make life difficult.

humans are the second most powerful..also because of their ability to travel between the matrix and the real world. humans could survive without the matrix. they only continue to jack in to fight for what they believe is a cause. if they wanted to, zion could load up into boats and travel somewhere else and start civilation over again. specially since the truce. but they stick around to make trouble.

exiles are the least powerful. they are completly dependent on the matrix to survive. without it they would fade away into nothing. inside the matrix i think the mero pwns all. hes the godfather and nothin gets past him. he knows the loopholes and how to use them. he is the king if exploits. but he is nothing if the matrix dosent survive. so he will always depend on controlling humans and machines to his will either by political means or trickery.

just my opinion

#11200003899 04/17/2006 17:40:38 Re: Most Powerful Organization

darkhaze wrote:

exiles are the least powerful. they are completly dependent on the matrix to survive.

You have clearly not met the Effectuator yet. I'd advise you to investiage our means of survival before you open your mouth, cave dweller.

~Long story short, Effy is the reason that the Merv has been able to survive all these instances of the Matrix.

#11200003906 04/18/2006 09:39:10 Re: Most Powerful Organization

zippy wrote: You have clearly not met the Effectuator yet. I'd advise you to investiage our means of survival before you open your mouth, cave dweller.

eeeeesh...im no cave dweller. im a merv, lol. how dare you insult me. /duel :smileymad:

i serve the frenchman to serve myself. in the matrix he is byfar the most powerful. but without the matrix he cannot survive while machines and humans can. therefore he is the weakest from that perspective.

#11200003909 04/18/2006 18:50:15 Re: Most Powerful Organization

darkhaze wrote:

i serve the frenchman to serve myself. in the matrix he is byfar the most powerful. but without the matrix he cannot survive while machines and humans can. therefore he is the weakest from that perspective.

I say it again. And this time I say it louder and clearer.

DO YOU KNOW WHO THE EFFECTUATOR IS?

The Effecutator is the Program in charge of Constructs that exist outside of the Matrix. Yes. The Merovingian can survive, and has, out of the Main Matrix Simulation. How else do you think he's gone through so many different versions? (and server resets lol)

#11200003911 04/19/2006 01:18:50 Re: Most Powerful Organization

The amchines will always ne more powerful beacuse they have the power in the real. They could destroy Zion anytime they wanted, its as simple as that. The only thing stopping them was the realisation that they need us which I think was one of the main factors in Neo brokering the truce. As much power as they had they could have never stopped the Smith virus.

#11200003912 04/19/2006 04:44:03 Re: Most Powerful Organization

i didnt know about the construct guy. but it still dosent matter. either way he needs a program of some type that is run by someone else to survive. humans and machines do not need that.

#11200003914 04/19/2006 14:06:51 Re: Most Powerful Organization

although i am a member of the machine organization i disagree with you all.

there is no "most powerful organization" and i can see this with confidence.
the matrix is what binds them all.

what is the matrix, symbiosis thats what it is.

still to this day we depend on machines to survive.

zion is only a small collection of the human race the rest are still plugged in. there is no room in zion for all of humanity. and existence on the surface of earth is by far an impossibility. they also need the software to control the machines.

the machines only form of energy are the humans they posses without them they will cease to function laying dorment as they cannot die. the machines need the mervs to maintain a perfect illusion of earth as they provide the corruption within society.

the mervs are dependent on both organizations. for the simple fact that they consume the energy produced by the humanoids and they also need the machines to maintain the world in which they live in.

forever in the circle of life shall these organizations travel. always fighting a loosing battle for control of what cannot be controlled.

Message Edited by fowkes on 04-19-2006 11:13 PM

#11200003917 04/19/2006 17:21:08 Re: Most Powerful Organization

i see some of your point..but humans just dont need exiles to provide corruption. humans do that just fine by themselves.

#11200003919 04/19/2006 21:12:01 Re: Most Powerful Organization

well its obvious. the first atempt at creating the matrix fail. why because it was perfect no disease no death no corruption.

there had to be coruption death and disease from the begining or the humanoids would not accept the matrix as reality

they have continued to do so to unsure that realism is maintained

Message Edited by fowkes on 04-20-2006 06:13 AM

#11200003920 04/19/2006 21:39:21 Re: Most Powerful Organization

huh?? lol.

i forgot what we were talkin about now. :smileytongue:

#11200003925 04/20/2006 19:40:47 Re: Most Powerful Organization

Machines: Numbers are low for Redpills. Agents are lvl 255 but we have killed them before with large numbers. They arent able to touch the merv or his higher ups(We got the only one the machines had). They just lost the Commandos.

Mervs: We got everything, True ruler of the matrix. We own the Constructs and have the Redpill numbers(Equal to Zion on Syntax) He has the resources to do anthing

Zionists: Number(High) cant touch the Merv, Niobe could have killed the MErv and Persephone but didnt. The commandos are with them but they wont last.

#11200003927 04/21/2006 02:40:17 Re: Most Powerful Organization

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Machines: Numbers are low for Redpills. Agents are lvl 255 but we have killed them before with large numbers. They arent able to touch the merv or his higher ups(We got the only one the machines had).

/agree What this guys says is true. You assume that Agents are the supreme overlords of all. You're wrong. The Merovingian has many, many underlings that can easily take them on, as seen in the actions of Seraph and his long-haired twin from the Chateu.

And the Merovingian doesn't need the Matrix to survive. He just prefers it, just like the Machines. He has control over The Effectuator, who provides matinence and firewall security over multiple Constructs. ((And in my opinion it seems to me that Merv is about to take a little vacation in the face of the Commando wars)) This is how he survived previous instances of the Matrix.

Zion.....well.....I guess I can say, that since Zion can hack into the Matrix at will (depending on where their Hovercrafts are positioned), it could be feasible that they might be able to hack into the Merovingian's Constructs....if they knew where the Mainframe computers are.

~BUT-After viewing all the pros and cons of each side, I'd have to say that Merv, Machine, and Cyph are tied for the lead, with Commandos in a close second and Zion waaay far back there.