the true source of smith's power

#11200003799 04/09/2006 08:38:46 the true source of smith's power

where did smith get the power to take over the matrix?

was it from when he took over the oracle?

was the machine program the one thing that made smith all powerful?

IMHO the true source of smith's power did not come from just the oracle, but from all the bluepills he had taken over, the minds of every human in the matrix simply dwarfs the power of just one program, even if that program was one of the 2 programs that created the matrix

the most devestating weapon in the matrix is the mind, because the matrix is a system made to react and to do what the mind projects, if you think your walking down some wooden stairs, you will hear the wood echo your footsteps, if you think your dodging bullets, you move faster than the bullets, if you think you can fly, well you fly the examples can go on forever the point is anything done in the matrix is controlled by the person's mind not by the matrix

by the time smith took over the oracle, his power was almost complete the boost of the machine program that helped design the system was vast, however it was nothing compared to the minds of all the bluepills

#11200003800 04/09/2006 08:44:14 Re: the true source of smith's power

Indeed. All the RSI's, be it Program or Bluepill, had coding in it, and once Smith had taken over enough of them, he had enough code to, well, decode the Matrix, giving him the same power as the Architect, only...without looking like Colonel Sanders while doing it.

#11200003803 04/09/2006 13:27:32 Re: the true source of smith's power

How about a more down-to-earth explanation?

By assimilating more and more prorgrams (incl. exiles), he assimilated more and more knowledge and abilities. If he took over a program that had access to certain parts of the Matrix, be that an area or a programming trick, Smith added it to his knowledge.

At the end, he had become an "enbodiment" of almost all knowledge and information of the whole Matrix (incl. knowledge about the Real). Like a virus cracking the whole network and using the newly acquired info for own purposes. I mean that's what he was, a virus.

Plain and simple SMILEY

#11200003804 04/09/2006 14:12:12 Re: the true source of smith's power

problem with that is that bluepills really have no knowledge of the matrix, yet their untapped minds have unlimited potential

also the matrix works around their perceptions, with smith controlling everything about them, smith controlled the matrix

#11200003805 04/09/2006 16:39:08 Re: the true source of smith's power

Now you're confusing it with "Vanilla Sky". imo

The Matrix isn't the sum of bluepills' imaginations or perceptions. It's a virtual environment that exists on its server as it is, and its inhabitants, aswell bluepills as programs, interact with it. They don't create it with their fantasy. Sorry if you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way I've interpreted it SMILEY

OK, I haven't fully understood how anyone could affect the Matrix by his thoughts and conviction, but "there's surely a technical explanation for that", as I like to say. Too much theoretizing here, so I'll let it be.

The Matrix is definetely not controled by bluepills only, so Smith couldn't have become omnipotent just because he assimiliated the bluepills. That might have had some effects, I don't deny it, but most of it should have really come from the programs he assimilated.

#11200003806 04/09/2006 16:42:10 Re: the true source of smith's power

Well If you unlike half the world didn't understand the Archs speech about

"Systimatic anomolys" And the Oracle saying " He is your negitive, the eqasion balancing itself"

Just got to listen to Smith say " I don't know how it happened, some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copyied, it as this point is Irrelevent. What Happened Happened for a Reason."

When the Arch was talking his blah blah ..He said your job now is to give up the code you carry and pick 21 people to Rebuild Zion. Assuming if Neo choose to do that in Theroy Smith would have lost all his power as well.

#11200003807 04/09/2006 17:33:40 Re: the true source of smith's power

Smith is connected to Neo, because of how Neo defeated him at the end of M1. What happens to Neo happens to Smith. If Neo becomes more powerful, then so does Smith. As the Oracle explained, Smith is Neo's opposite, his negative--the system attempting to balance itself. Does that mean that the system itself gives Smith more power to balance out Neo's? You be the judge.

But while Neo attempts to become inwardly empowered (via his search for the Truth), Smith only seeks to outwardly enforce his self on everyone else by making copies of himself ("Me, me, me!" ). But as Neo soon realizes, the only way to defeat Smith is allow himself to first be defeated. Because of the connection they share, Smith will never be beaten as long as Neo still exists. He must lay his life down sacrificially to leave Smith open for attack. This is the end of the beginning, which was always inevitable. The two opposites become one and cancel each other out. Balance is thus realized.

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#11200003929 04/21/2006 09:42:29 Re: the true source of smith's power

omg how can yall be so blind.

do you not remember the oradle saying thta the architect is the one who balances the equation and she is the one who unbalances it she unbalanced it with neo and the architect balanced it by upgrading smith but as you know computers make mistakes too.

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#11200004013 04/28/2006 03:32:24 Re: the true source of smith's power

Smith was already incredibly powerful.
The Agents were feared by the Awakened - who in turn were far more powerful than any normal human being. Smith was a sort of god-like figure all along, he was just bound by the rules of the system.

When he was "unplugged" he had the freedom to flex this power more openly and learn more about his capabilities.

Clearly assimilating bluepills and programs gave him an edge - he assimilated an Agent (probably all of them eventually) which gave him the 'upgrades'.
He assimilated Seraph - again, upgrades.

But he had a one-up on Neo. He implicitly understood the Matrix. He was born from it, he operated as an Agent in it, and he knew exactly how it worked and how to bend and break the rules.
I think that is where his true power came from. Neo - IMO - didn't fully understand it. He could fly yes, but if he was truly at one with the Matrix he would have been able to remake it as he saw fit - as Morpheus thought he would be able to.
He could have altered the entire landscape around him in order to defeat not just Smith, but ALL Smiths. But he didn't fully understand it, and that's where Smith had the upper hand. No doubt assimilating the Oracle did help him in this way.

#11200004096 05/02/2006 12:19:08 Re: the true source of smith's power

Your forgeting something. Neither Neo or Smith could remake the matrix. only the architect could because that was his purpose. Smith only possesed its resources. to truely control the matrix he need to absorb the architect which as you know didnt happen because he was no longer in the matrix. instead he was in the real world negotiating with Neo. if Smith understood the matrix he would of understood the fact that he was ressurected by the architect. as stated in the films Smith was Neo's opposite so it is only logical that both beings can do something that the other cannot. what happens when you join when you join a possitive force with a negative force. thats simple they cancel each other out and thats what Smiths purpose was

#11200004114 05/06/2006 02:44:25 Re: the true source of smith's power

This is my understanding of the Matrix:

In the Real World, the machines grow people in the fields, they grow them because they need them as a source of power; Without the power, they cannot function.

To control the people and to extract as much out of these "batteries" as possible, they created a virtual world called the Matrix and all of the "Home Grown" people were jacked into it. This gave the machines a method of control...the "batteries" were given this illusion that they were living a life thus making them oblivious to what was really happening in the real world.

When the Matrix was first created, everyone was controlled, there were no exiles, but the machines could not create a world that could function properly, and thus kept crashing.

The Machines discovered that the keep the Matrix working, the people inside neeed to be given the ability of choice, But choice opened up a whole new can of worms and make controlling people more difficult.

A program called the Oracle was created and inserted into the matrix to monitor behavior inside now that people were making choices.

At some point, a Virus, aka Agent Smith got inside the Matrix and gradually over the course of time began to infect everything it could pass too, This obviously worried the Machines as there control was being destroyed the more the virus spread.