Previous versions of the Matrix

#11200003675 03/27/2006 12:17:18 Previous versions of the Matrix

Did anyone of you ever have the idea that the 6 archives represent the previous versions of the Matrix?

Let me explain it: The Architect said in Matrix 2, that there were 5 versions BEFORE the version Neo lived in. Neo's version was no. 6. So our version should be version no.7, because, as far as i understood, the Matrix was re-programmed after Smith's little... activities:smileywink: .

So either it as a numeric coincidence or the archives truely represent former versions. it would fit.. no. 6 (Neo's version) would be Zero-One, and as we all know, he and Trin are the only humans who ever got to see 01 after the second Renessaince.

What do you think?

#11200003676 03/27/2006 12:27:09 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

No we are still #6 because for the matrix to begin again another one has to come and free people because zion has to be destroyed or somthing like that so if you want version 7 ZION MUST BE DESTROYED VI VA LA MEROVINGIAN!

#11200003677 03/27/2006 13:46:22 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

There were no 6 versions of the Matrix. After the first two hadn't worked, the Architect involved the Oracle (won't go into details here, rewatch the Architect dialogue eventually) and that improvement caused the anomaly that caused the One. Zion was destroyed 5 times and 5 Ones have entered the source, who sais the Matrix was reseted? I couldn't find any hint to that.

I can't argue about Zero One because I haven't made it to level 40 yet, but I know the 5 others.

Ashencourte / Widow's Moor and Yuki / Sakura are nothing but the same constructs in different layouts (winter and summer), and I assume the same for One Zero / Zero One.

So the first Matrix was a medieval Japanese village always always in winter, the second one the same Japanese village always in summer, then a copy of the Machine city... lol. Sorry for the sarcasm SMILEY

And then, "provided" that this one is the seventh version, we already saw the sixth version in the movies. Did it look any like the constructs? Or rather like the Mega City? Oh, and Zero One is in the Real, not in the Matrix, so we can't talk about it being the any version SMILEY

I know it says the archives are remains from previous versions of the Matrix, I can't really get off much with it. They look like prototypes anyway, so maybe Yuki and Ashencourte (and their alternate versions) were for a previous Matrix version (i.e. the first or the second, assumed it was set somewhere in Middle Ages and not in the modernity), One Zero looks like a simulation of the actual Machine city -- although, maybe B-sides plans for a Matrix playing in such a world with Machines and everything. Quite probable that they started with scenarios that were closer to the current situation in the Real. Don't know. Just theoretizing.

#11200003678 03/27/2006 14:20:48 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

As I see it, there are four versions.

Version 1:
The 'perfect world' Agent Smith talks about in the first movie. It failed due to lack of choice.

Version 2: A world the machines created in an attempt to understand human nature - that being to create pain and destruction. This also failed due to lack of choice.

Version 3:
This version introducted choice, and 'The One'. Remember, just because the Matrix get's reset (when The One returns to The Source), doesn't mean it's the next version. Think of it in terms of the Windows operating system. If you're running Windows 2000, and you reboot it (The One going to The Source), does it suddenly boot into Windows XP (the next version of Windows)? No, it boots back into 2000. So, 6 'Ones', the previous 5 just rebooting The Matrix.

Version 4:

The version we are in now. Anyone who wants to be freed gets freed without any interference. The One is no longer needed to reboot the Matrix.

#11200003679 03/27/2006 14:27:28 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

Welcome to the forums, Cyclaws! :smileyvery-happy:

Version 3:
This version introducted choice, and 'The One'. Remember, just because the Matrix get's reset (when The One returns to The Source), doesn't mean it's the next version. Think of it in terms of the Windows operating system. If you're running Windows 2000, and you reboot it (The One going to The Source), does it suddenly boot into Windows XP (the next version of Windows)? No, it boots back into 2000. So, 6 'Ones', the previous 5 just rebooting The Matrix.

I'm not so sure that the Matrix was even rebooted. Although I'll check the Architect scene again.

Version 4 isn't really a "version" in my eyes, it's just the old one evolving in new unexpected ways. OK, there was the Smith business and Sati added some new colors to daytime, but that's kinda secondary " SMILEY

#11200003680 03/27/2006 14:39:32 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

Thanks for the welcome! SMILEY

As I see it, Version 3 turned to Version 4 at the end of Revolutions, when everything Smith ruined gets fixed (the floor, green, rain, etc).

I just checked the Architects speech as well, he mentions having to "re-insert the primary program" - This could mean restart the Matrix, or possibly just start up something within it. Either way, it's Version 3 (from what I've gathered, anyway).

#11200003684 03/27/2006 19:07:14 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

The versions of the Matrix aren't counted by the resets. They are counted by the re-emergence of the next systemic anomaly, in which Neo was the sixth, therefore this is the sixth version. Should there be another One, the Matrix would become another version, the Seventh version.

Ask (Agent) Jeeves.

#11200003689 03/28/2006 12:32:42 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

Isn't that just how the Architect liked to do it?

#11200003690 03/28/2006 13:09:38 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

Yes, he did say that it was simply the way he preferred to count them. As for the duration of the iterations, I'd put it as about 70-80 years, assuming that the Zion Council were the first freed to restart the cycle.

#11200003705 04/01/2006 05:26:47 Re: Previous versions of the Matrix

The Zion Council couldn't have been the first freed (at least from the movies). It's stated over and over that the previous anomaly awakened the first redpills 100 years ago... Councelor Heirman says that he spent the first 11 years of his life sleeping... sooo... I really doubt anyone in Zion could live to be over 110...

Besides that, I think the archives are just that, archives. The 01 constructs probly represent a database from the machines that records history, and from the look of both 01 constructs it appears to be around the time of the 2nd renausance because there are factories and warehouses, and if you recall the main export of 01 was from building hovercrafts. The names of the robots and looks of them also point to that oppinion.

I have no idea what to make of the other 2 construct types though XD Possibly a mainframe of human history and mythology?