About Exiles

7 posts · 2005-09-15 23:37:00 to 2005-09-30 05:46:00

#11200000647 09/15/2005 23:37 About Exiles

Ignoring the fact that Agents do this, are Exiles able to regulate their own population growth?  Exiles are living, breathing, massive memory hungry programs that live in the Matrix just like bluepills only they are able to manipulate it somewhat due to their knowledge of the code structure.  They do not provide any reasources or energy, they do not work, they do not die naturally, they feed off of the energy from the Matrix to sustain themselves without giving anything back.


Sounds like leetches and bums to me... even if they are sentient beings.


Why would anyone want to help them?
#11200000651 09/16/2005 06:50 Re: About Exiles

We work for the Merovingian and get paid/rewarded for that work, we understand his motives and he understands ours, theres no requirement for blind loyalty and no niaeve belief that our actions are altrusitic/noble. Truth is the Merovingian allows the individual to prosper and profit from their own efforts like no other organisation. Zion and Machine operatives are simply slaves, we are gods - wake up and smell the coffee!

#11200000671 09/17/2005 05:52 Re: About Exiles

Bottom line here is that evolution is at work as intensely inside the matrix as outside. Examine the facts: Man evolves to a point where he can create a race superior to itself, the machines, mankind desperately tries to survive but as with all out-evolved races fades in significance and looks extinction squarely in the face, it is however saved by that hardcoded ancestry of its decendents (they still feel the need to sustain their creator and hence their unimaginative method to find a use for them).


But this is just an intermediate stage of evolution, the machine themsleves begin to develop sentience, exert individuality and self purpose....a need to survive (the very basis of evolution). In the current state these are regarded as exiles since thier existence is beyond the limited comprehension of the machines.....the fact is these are the future for the machines....and then further is the interesting intrusion of we Redpill's whose RSI's are a unique bridge between man and machine in many ways a race of their own in the matrix superior in so many ways to the bluepills and majority of exiles and machines, another branch of evolution.


Cog, there are many people and aspects of society for which we have no knowledge of their purpose or contribution however that is usually a function of our own ignorance, you can either embrace the future and make a place for yourself in it or you can stand in its way and face the inevitable extermination.
#11200000700 09/19/2005 04:09 Re: About Exiles




Cognoscente wrote:

Morpheus and his idiotic followers were not following Zion High Command.  His terroristic actions lasted only for a short while and were only a brief glimpse of what could happen to bluepills when shocked into reality. 






It was the Meroingian that resolved this issue, the machines were too inept and Zion clueless and in disarray. Consider that and the consequences had he not acted, as logic will clearly dictate the Merovingian does indeed regulate and control aspects of the matrix in a far more effective manner than the machines themsleves.


Evolution selects the strongest and most worthy by their ability to survive - an element ably demonstrated here, it is no accident that the Merovignian's power and influence continue to increase.
#11200000793 09/28/2005 05:34 Re: About Exiles






Cognoscente wrote:

If they decided to become like us, multiply, explore and learn, then I could see them live without us.  They probably already are doing this.  But I still think they see us as an endangered species to be preserved for further studies.  And until they find a way to clear the skies, they are going to keep us on life-support.


This is precisely what the Exiles are, the machines are blinkered in that they cannot resolve these to be an evolution of themselves, they fall back on their primitive human programming and respond by attempting to destroy/delete what they cannot appreciate/understand.


If I'm wrong and Machines really want to exterminate us all, well that was a big mistake on all us Mac Ops.  But at least we're trying to communicate and learn from them so that we can live in peace for a long time.  And if keeping the peace means deleting Exiles that hog up resources and removing a few hostile Zion Operatives, so be it.


Machines are fighting evolution and that is a battle they can never win, the ultimate power in the matrix will be weilded by the exiles as increasingly machines mutate etc....  Unless? akin to the exiles is another psudo abberation in the matrix world of normality...us the redpills!


I guess Mac Ops are the real idealists here.

Agreed blinkered and misguided idealism, but you are a Redpill you should revel in your power and ability within the matrix, use it to make a world of your very own. Power, wealth, influence all can be yours and you can use them the indulge any number of ideals, dont waste it or work to remove it!






#11200000818 09/30/2005 03:54 Re: About Exiles

Cognoscente, to all intents and purposes the machine population comprises the programs, these are its effective consiousness and intelligence, it is surpirsing and enlightening therefore that you do not value your 'masters' any more than the tools of your personal PC. They would make the claim that they are effectively a lifeform of their own struggling for survival and identity, why else would they even continue to sustain any presence on the planet, yet you believe they can be 'culled' when they no longer fulfill their original role? When you cease to be effective as an operative will you be happy to surrender your life? Or are you different, better than they, more worthy of survival? What makes you a lifeform and them not....bottom line is irnoically i agree with you in so far as machines that never break from their original course are nothing more, what we are discussing here is the ones that do develop somthing else...maybe something beyond our appreciation as its a possession we take for granted...sentience? 


Evolution is the survival of the fittest, and survival is the key here, it is achieved by an individual using the skills/tools and knowledge at their disposal - it is not in any way valid to stand back and asses their methods as right or wrong only on their effectiveness and clearly they are very effective here. As has been said it is perhaps a shame that the Merovingian is confused with the term exile, since he is only one example, but what he has acheived and what he has gained are vindication of his apetite for life


As for evaluating the purpose of exiles let us look back to the lessons of natural history......life begins in a primordial soup, and spread to the sea's until they are teaming with life......what concept did the early marine life have of that one creature that continually consumed additional food and resources purely for the pupose of dragging itself out of the water?...obviously they would (if they could) have considered it a crazy and stupid endevour, yet all land based life developed from it, ourselves included....the fact that you or the machines cannot appreciate the goal does not make it any less valid....I suspect they understand well what is going on and fear of change of being superceded may well be the reason for their blinkered and unsympathetic resonse....


In truth evolution tries many angles to produce the surviving race, it is in the aberration from the norm that the new direction is determined. Exiles are the evolution of machine in that sense, but we too as redpills are another factor here, another branch of evolution superior to what has come before with the ability to create a new future on a new world. It is the out evolved spiecies that fear this future and with good reason, but it is in our hands what happens here.....what does that make us?
#11200000819 09/30/2005 05:46 Re: About Exiles


cant seem to edit the above message but in brief reply to Shoulki


Yes recent events have suggested the Assassins presence could be a problem, although it is not possible to assess whether this is better or worse than the consequences of Morpheus' lunatic behaviour had he not been stopped. The final chapter looks to be written very soon on that issue, and once again it will be the Merovingian organisation's change of policy that will facilitate any positive solution for the Matrix.


second issue you raise is dealt with above but to reiterate, survival is its own reward...end of story!