The Ones Before Neo - MXO Forum Archive

#11200000459 09/06/2005 02:57:17 The Ones Before Neo

Yeah i was just thinking today how were the other Ones (as in the anomalys) different to neo they all picked the other door so zion was saved but what wouldve happened if they had picked the same door as neo would the same thing happen or would the machines have destroyed Zion and everyone human plugged into the matrix have died ? and were there other smiths(viruses) to rival the previous Ones?

how did the other anomalys become the One we know Morpheus beleived in neo but did somone beleive in the others? they all mustve had different feelings about the matrix whether they wanted to have peace win or didnt beleive in anything?

Thoughts?

#11200000461 09/06/2005 06:33:11 Re: The Ones Before Neo

My theory was this. Neo had one trait that the others didn't. Love. There oracle set this up and neo and trinity did the rest. She told trinity that she would fall in love with a dead man. She did this right here changed everything because now Neo had a reason to chose the other door. Mind you this is all just a guess but its what I think happened. As for Smith I don't think there was a smith virus with all the other versions. Neo and Smith are polar opposites so if neo had love then Smith had hate. That might have lead him to become an exile and thus do what he did. Also in reloaded after the sewer meeting and the agent fight two smith show up and tell each other. "Its happening exactly as before." "Well not exactly" so this shows that no there wasn't a Smith virus in the other versions. And as for your other Morpheus's question well there kinda would have to be. Some one has to find the one for there to be a one. Just m 2 $info

-gami

#11200000467 09/06/2005 13:52:46 Re: The Ones Before Neo

DEep.

#11200000468 09/06/2005 15:31:44 Re: The Ones Before Neo

Well, from what the Architect says, the path of the One (the path suggested by the Prophecy) is designed to endow the One with an attachment to the human race. Although, Neo, even walking through a similar path, found something the others seem to have not - love. So, while the others chose to protect that which they valued most, ie. the human race, Neo chose to protect that which he valued most, ie. Trinity.

Mind you, although, that this is the Architect's answer to your doubt. Although, as the Oracle states (and we can understand in many ocasions), the Architect doesn't understand choice the way we use it, since it makes no sense to him to be able to overcome reason by something else. Thus, the Architect doesn't understand why Neo chooses not to go into the Source, and assumes it's for Neo (rationally associating Neo's decision with the chemical flutter he felt when Neo saw Trinity falling).

IMHO, Neo didn't just choose the door he did due to Trinity. Neo was never an unthinking Chosen One, and if he believed the choice was Trinity or Humankind, he would understand the need to sacrifice her for the survival of the human race. I think Neo chose that door because he believed there was a third choice - to fight. And, same as he believed he could save Morpheus in the first movie, he believed his enterprise could somehow be successful.

But the answer to YOUR question (ie. "What was the difference between the other Ones and Neo that made them choose the 'wrong' door?") is the attachment to the human race...and, IMO, a lack of belief.

#11200000476 09/06/2005 22:53:52 Re: The Ones Before Neo

But what do you think wouldve happened if the other anomalies had picked the same door as neo would the system have crashed and zion fallen. also the merovingian in the second movie said neo had much less respect than his predicesors what does that mean?

#11200000480 09/06/2005 23:41:51 Re: The Ones Before Neo

BTW, she said she would "Fall in love with a man, and that man would be the One." Not a Dead Man, A Man.

I know its hard to hear when the volume is low, but turn it up, put it
on subitles, and if you are still in doubt, read the scripts. :-p

#11200000483 09/07/2005 08:38:03 Re: The Ones Before Neo

really. Thought she said dead man. Ahh well lazy to go look it up but still same difrenceorical told trinity she woudl fall in love with Neo dead or alive.

#11200000506 09/08/2005 02:30:51 Re: The Ones Before Neo

Doondoon wrote:
But what do you think wouldve happened if the other anomalies had picked the same door as neo would the system have crashed and zion fallen. also the merovingian in the second movie said neo had much less respect than his predicesors what does that mean?

Well, it depends on their path after they chose said door. Neo made it because his path took him to the Machine City anyways. Maybe he had his sacrifice in mind when he chose it, maybe he didn't and things just turned out that way. Fact is, if the Architect is telling the truth (as I think he is), the Matrix would collapse without the code carried by the One, so one of them abandoning and never returning to the Source would indeed be catastrophic. Plus the fact that without doing something like Neo did, the Sentinel attack would likely have decimated Zion.

#11200000521 09/09/2005 08:48:37 Re: The Ones Before Neo

I have no idea what would have happened if the other anomolies took the door Neo did so I'll simply say - They wouldn't because of Trinity ect.

Earlier in the thread someone (can't remember who soz) said that the Oracle set up the Neo and Trinity love thing and they did the rest - if this is the case then the oracle would have done that because she wanted to stop the cycle - and just writing this I've realised y lol

She did it to end the cycle - the Archiect wanted the continuation of the cycle and they were constantly working against each other - to balance and unbalance the equation.

The Merv has power because he is aware of the reload 'survived your predecessors and I'll survive you' so he knew the anomaly will need the key maker thus inprisoning him - probably wanted to meet The One or something.

Does the Matrix get reloaded in the end? I don't think it does but I'm not sure.

Also - Smith is a contributing factor for Neo picking the door he did. As soon as he was aware of the cycle he knew he needed to go in not only to save Trinity but to stop Smih - probably aware he wasn't there before as the archeict didn't talk about Smith.

I think that's all i have to say - if thats not it ill post another...

#11200000529 09/09/2005 22:42:35 Re: The Ones Before Neo

well let's see where to begin... okay. lets review the facts

#1. Neo had a rebellious Personality. just glance at the movie and you'll see that, *points to the phonecall scene* *points to the scenes with the oracle* *points to the scene where he was going back for morpheus* *points to where he refuses to die* need i say more?

#2. the oracle new this and (imho) this being a trate that none of the other "ones" had used it to give neo the chance to break the cycle.

and that's all i can think of at the moment but if i think of more i'll post them

#11200000536 09/10/2005 04:45:51 Re: The Ones Before Neo

#1. Neo had a rebellious Personality. just glance at the movie and you'll see that, *points to the phonecall scene* *points to the scenes with the oracle* *points to the scene where he was going back for morpheus* *points to where he refuses to die* need i say more?

#2. the oracle new this and (imho) this being a trate that none of the other "ones" had used it to give neo the chance to break the cycle.

and that's all i can think of at the moment but if i think of more i'll post them

You see, here's where you go wrong - every One is rebellious. Even further, every redpill has a rebellious spirit. That's what makes them defy the illusion the Matrix imposes onto everyone.

Although, as I said, every One before Neo had in-place a connection not to any specific member of his kind, but to his entire kind (which was Zion's biggest role in the cycle), and so, when in Neo's place, chose to protect the survival of his species instead of rebelling. It's not that they didn't feel the will to say "screw it" to the Architect (heck, I'm not that rebellious, and I felt it), it's that they didn't think they'd have a chance. Neo did.

#11200000555 09/11/2005 01:29:13 Re: The Ones Before Neo

I think there was more than just Love at play here, although it did have it's place. Who is to say that Neo was the only One in this story. Neo may have been the One to Reload the Matrix, but I also believe that Trinity was the One to Lead the One to the Source. When she failed to do so inside the Matrix (leading him away from the Source to save her life), she succeeded Outside in the Real by driving him to the front door, then conveniently dying at the doorstep, as she was meant to do ("we all do only what we are meant to do"). Just as, if you grant me a little latitude, Persephone also seems compelled to lead the One to the Source, as she did by leading him to the Keymaker, unless of course her function is to lead the One to the Keymaker. Morpheus was the One to Find the One. Any or all of the above could have manipulated, by the Oracle or by some other force in the Matrix, to create a difference with this particular One to Reload the Source.

Such things can be debated and argued over forever since we don't have a clear picture of the situations of any of the previous Ones, we cannot know how they all made their way to the Architect and then on to the Source.

/reload

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