The Other Side of the Looking Glass - Friday, June 16, 2006

Message Edited by Walrus on 06.16.2006 09:29 PM

Nice work on this whole exploit situation, hopefully this will answer everyone's questions and concerns on exploits and how to deal with them if you find one.

I wish this was about content and not exploits

Ya never can win

Yeah, oh well, but at least now it's out of the way, recent exploits has caused many problems in-game, and too many people are posting exploits on the forums, which just makes the problem worse.

Yeah but this can easily be done with a forum post, it doesnt need to take up a once a week article that is about future content.

Bummer, was hoping for some more info on org abilites :smileytongue:

I wasn't even expecting a Looking Glass, so I'm not nearly as disapointed as the people who will post in the future. And trust me, I predict a hailstorm on the horizon...

Well these articles are posted every Friday, so I dont see why we shouldnt expect one

Yeah, I have to agree here. While it's good to have these things
cleared up, it's not nearly as interesting a read as the usual looking
glass articles are. Tell us more about the White Corridors, the org
abilities, the mission archive or something even new you guys have
cooked up for us!



Ah well. Always next week.

not really an interesting Looking Glass this week, gotta wait till next week!:smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by XRontix on 06.16.2006 11:40 PM

....You're telling me the whole exploit thing isn't self-explanatory?...

Sigh...Waste of a potentially good looking glass, arrrrg!!!!

A forum thread doesn't get the same exposure as a looking glass does.  People have been posting far too many exploits in the forums, hopefully this will help.

Thanks for the update, sure it would be better to know on game content issues, however we do get updates from rarebit when possible too.

Very Nice, and thanks, Walrus



EDIT: After all, there IS still hope.

Message Edited by Beanix on 06.17.2006 09:25 AM

Since when has the Looking Glass been purely for new content? It's just
another way for the devs to communicate information they think is
important, which Walrus has certainly done this week . /twothumbsup

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QforQ wrote:
I wish this was about content and not exploits

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Defintely... But the thing is, if people would quit exploiting, it would have been about content.



- Void

The real shame is a whole OSOTLG was wasted on this subject.

Grow up people and let the devs start working on important issues.

People are always going to exploit so I dont think this article is going to stop it.  They will always have to fix bugs like Walrus said.

I'm bummed because I really dont care about pretty much anything he said in that article because it doesnt pertain to me, I don't exploit. I can see if you were confused or can't really realize whats an exploit....but it's pretty much common sense.  A simple forum post would have done the job in this instant, no need for a weekly article that's usually an insight into whats going on with the development side of things.

This was just an announcement.  I thought there would be something about the Hallways or the Org Abilities or the Mission Archieve.  Walrus I think the community deserves at least estimated release dates posted on the Other Side or the progress, the forums shouldn't be the source to where this information is located.  The exploit post was a pointless looking glass in my opinion, please give the community more "News" not "Announcements".

In response to this, some people on Recurrsion have created a faction called "Freedom to Exploit" lol

I believe the problems that occure come when players do not receive a warning before a mute/suspension/banning. Perhaps even the player did not see the CSR chat, but a clear warning must be given to the player before any further disciplinary action is taken.

Thank you for informing us on the process taken with regard to people found using exploits. This seems fair and makes sense after all. However I would have liked to have seen some information on when you want us to submit exploits and when not to. The first step used by anyone to get to the white rooms or the hallways is common knowledge and has been around since beta. Yet no effort to fix this bug has been made. While the subsequent steps may not be very well known at all, surely sealing the first problem would have eliminated the need for the entire paragraph on the white rooms. Indeed it would also have prevented the first person from ever having been teleported into the hallways let alone the white room.

You say "If the exploit makes it possible for one player to have a big
advantage over others, the exploit is considered particularly serious." and yet this bug allows players to have serious advantages over others in combat situations.

I'm not saying I'm upset there are holes, it's going to happen and people are going to use them. What I am irritated by is a declaration of sincerity towards fixing exploits and then actions that don't appear to follow this up.

I guess I wish there was more communication back on the bugs.  The way that it used
to be done was great, because the Dev and the player could talk some back and forth
and that helped to confirm some of the problems.  Right now any bug reports
just seem to go into the limbo and you never hear anything.  I know I have some things
that have been out there for months.  This includes one that is a double attack exploit.

If you have found a exploit, use the /bug command, also go to the forums and send a private message to one of the devs to let them know about it.  And just to make sure that you covered all bases, and you used the exploit a couple of times just to see how it worked, ccr yourself explaining how the exploit works, so the CSR will know how it is done and what to look for.

And I do believe this needed to be brought to the attention of everyone, and the easiest way was the looking glass.  cause not everyone reads through the forums.

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LuciousBrujah wrote:

And just to make sure that you covered all bases, and you used the exploit a couple of times just to see how it worked, ccr yourself explaining how the exploit works, so the CSR will know how it is done and what to look for.

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Sorry, I have done that on the latest exploit that I found and like all the time that
I do a CCR the word I got back was "This is not a problem the CCR can solve,
submit it as a bug report"

I cannot stress enough that /bug needs to have AT LEAST an auto-reply letting you know that it was received by the system. Right now the submit button may as well be a close window button.

Ideally you would have someone whose job it was to read every bug report and categorize them by type and severity and then forward to the appropriate testers/developers. Right now we haven't a clue what happens to /bug reports. Perhaps a blurb explaining the path of a /bug report would be good?

Last thought, aren't there some more privileged community members out there who can help fasttrak severe bugs???

The bugs go into their bug database.  It is someone's job to keep track of bugs and all that, most notably it's NoRepro's job to do that.

Dagonet wrote:

I cannot stress enough that /bug needs to have AT LEAST an auto-reply letting you know that it was received by the system. Right now the submit button may as well be a close window button.

Ideally you would have someone whose job it was to read every bug report and categorize them by type and severity and then forward to the appropriate testers/developers. Right now we haven't a clue what happens to /bug reports. Perhaps a blurb explaining the path of a /bug report would be good?

Last thought, aren't there some more privileged community members out there who can help fasttrak severe bugs???

I think they mentioned they gonna change the way bug reports are sent soon.